True hunters or just Greenies in disguise?

[Oak]

Some Welfare Ranching supporters on Hunttalk claim that those who demand that public land ranchers follow the LAW and pay fair market value for grazing, are obviously just Greenies in disguise. So, are the folks at this link true hunters or just a bunch of Greenies?

Hunters or Greenies?

Take a look around this site. There's some gems hiding in there!

Oak

 

[JoseCuervo]

Oak,

You are right, here is one of the Gems in the Quote page on the site.... LMAO...

We've been under Forest Service management since the 1930's, and we don't believe there's overgrazing by cattle. If there's any overgrazing it's by elk. The cattle have been undergrazing....
--Jim Webb, President, Arizona Cattle Growers Association, in 1988

 

[Ithaca 37]

There's some great stuff on the "Did You Know" page of that site.

http://www.gamebird-alliance.org/didyouknow.html

I challenge any Hunt Talker to read the sections on the Western Gamebird Alliance site and then defend public lands grazing (as it is managed now).

Remember, birds are a great indicator of habitat quality.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Is being a Greenie a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Ithaca 37]

Well, the way some people here in SI use the word "greenie" would probably lead someone who doesn't understand the wildlife/hunting/habitat relationship to think it's a bad thing.

The more informed posters, though, realize it's good.

Notice what Ted Williams says!

I think Ted would say we have a few fools here!

 

[JoseCuervo]

I don't think I should try and figure out if others are Greenies or Hunters. I am not even sure which I am. I know I spend way TOO many days hunting, and I think it is "True Hunting", not just ATV'ing...

And the only time my beer cans get recycled, is when I throw them out along the road, so the people who pick up cans can get some extra money....

 

[Washington Hunter]

Colorado, I just looked at that site...it's a good one, thanks! I'd say they are greenies and hunters, which of course any hunter that wants to have good hunting now and in the future is automatically going to be a greenie (if a greenie is what I think it is...I'm still not sure what the correct definition is.) And like elkgunner, I'm not sure if I'm one or not. From the way some on here talk, I get the idea that a greenie is an anti-hunter. But if recycling qualifies someone as a greenie, then I am one! I see no reason to throw away things that can be used over and over again. Heck I recycle just about everything. Newspaper, mixed paper, aluminum cans, tin cans, glass jars and bottles, plastic bottles, cardboard, oil, etc. It just makes absolutely no sense to bury all those materials in the ground.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Here's another funny quote from that site...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Who made you such an authority when so many of the facts are slanted to your advantage?
--A Montana public lands rancher, in response to the tabloid "Free Our Public Lands"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[Oak]

Yep, you're a greenie, WH!

I'd say there's different connotations of the word, but most of the ATV riding, Welfare Rancher supporting crowd here uses it in a derogatory way. I've been called one, and that's fine. I'd say that I'm an environmentalist, too. Of course, I must also be an anti-hunting, gun controlling, granola munching charter member of PETA, right?

BTW, I recycle too.

Oak

 

[Washington Hunter]

Oh ok, so being a Greenie is something a guy can be proud of huh? That is good to know. Now i will be sure to thank anyone who calls me a Greenie from now on. Thanks Colorado for clearing this mystery up!

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[ELKCHSR]

I would say that those that are put in the green crowd really don't have an idea of what they are beating drums for. They are usually (but maybe not always) tied to such groups that are against guns, against eating any type of meat, want to save the whole world from ourselves with out understanding what that means, they don't think it is proper to be using any animal parts for clothing, nor do they think using any raw products is appropriate. It is usually always the young crowd with just enough oldsters in it to give it legitimacy, that doesn't want to really take any responsibilities for what they have in life; they believe that the world is a bad place. Rarely will you find one that has actually served this country in the military, for that takes a responsibility for which they are afraid to undertake. A greeny really represents all of the fears of this country with out doing what it takes to alleviate those fears and do what it takes to over come them. They see the wrongs and injustices of what is going on, but go about righting them in absolutely the wrong way on most occasions. Some times they get it right, but mostly they are running off of emotion and not using their heads to over come the task at hand. I hope you guy's can see this for what it is. It is these individuals that need to be educated on the proper means to over come what they see as perceived threats; it’s not their ideals that make them wrong, it is their actions that have given the environmental cause such a bad name.

 

[Muledeer4me]

Good post elkchsr.
I use the word "greenie" in the same way some of you use the term Welfare Rancher,Fat assed ATV Rider.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Oh...so a Greenie IS anti-hunting and it's not a good thing to be?

 

[1_pointer]

Like any other group or label there will always be a spectrum of ideals. Personally, I think I'm a pretty 'green' person and try to live that way. What is wrong with caring for the environment?

What gets me is that many of the people that bash 'greenies' (didn't those used to be freshmen in high school?) can't come up with a 'better' group to fix the same problems. If they did, their cohorts would label them as being 'green'. Please, Elkchsr and MD (I'm asking you because you responded to this thread not picking on you) post a group that has done as much good as the 'green' groups? Do you have one that is even comparable to say The Nature Conservancy?

Granted there are many environmental groups that do no more that bitch and whine. These groups usually don't do any good and usually little harm. The ones that are getting things done are those not too short sighted to see that conservation and use has to be balanced. Even the Park Service is starting to take notice!

Not all environmental groups are against recreation(hunting) or the extraction of some of the resources. It is all a matter of degree and what is your personal perception. One should be apt enough to siphon of the crud and recognize it and support those that are working for their good also. The issues these groups deal with are not mutually exclusive to their members.

 

[Lostagain]

1==exellent==
The problem is many "greenie" orgs aren't really in it for the good of the range just to stop some activity, all for BIG money. There are some green groups that are doing it right, IMO; TNC,RMEF, and some others.
I think the real problem is that some folks get aligned with a some radical bunch for a certain deal and then are tied to something else they really don't support, but they chose their friends.
Don't try to defend some of these green groups until you have check out their funds, where it came from and where it went. Some of these nonprofits are turning some monsterous amounts of cash to stop activities you want, guns, public lands access, hunting, fishing, etcetc. They will use your support to stop things you enjoy.

 

[1_pointer]

LA- THat's my point. Check 'em out, if their legit and you feel they are doing good then support them. I will not support any conservation organization that does not participate in purchasing or actively improving wildlife (not just game animals) habitat. I've found this to be a pretty good litmus test. Those that don't, like HSUS, PETA, etc. do not get my support. But, to just disregard them because they are an "environmental group" is stupid.

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[Lostagain]

Agree with ya completely.
And to take it a bit further, just b/c its supporting your cause you can't blindly support that org, b/c most likely it has a bigger agenda which you do not agree with.

 

[Ithaca 37]

This is from the Western gamebird site: "Hunters have always been the most dedicated advocates for the health of our wildlife and wildlands." SOME hunters! Certainly not all of them, as we see here in SI almost everyday as they defend welfare ranching, clearcutting, mining, ATV destruction, more FS roads, etc.! It amazes me that they claim to love hunting, but are willing to let wildlife habitat be destroyed!

Just doesn't make any sense!

 

[ELKCHSR]

Tyler, read my last post a little more carful, you will notice that I have stated the same thing you and Steve did, just in a little different wording. The whole jist of what I stated was the fact that some of the wackos and extremists have been allowed into the organizations that were doing good and this in turn gave the org. a black eye. If the ones that are running the show, would see thru these peoples motives and not allow them in to their orgs, then you wouldn't see quite as much of the black eyes given when these nuts go off the deep end and do the wrong things...

 

[1_pointer]

Elkchsr- So you support some of these 'green' groups? The good ones.