Thin the herd!

[Treeshark]

Which one of my five bullet point predictions of this “study” do you or @BuzzH disagree with?

 

[BuzzH]

Which one of my five bullet point predictions of this “study” do you or @BuzzH disagree with?

I don't think you're wrong just wondering what parts bother you?

I have issues with the price of Resident tags, but that's not limited to Montana, and I thought the same clear back when I still lived there.

 

[Treeshark]

just wondering what parts bother you?

None of it bothers me. If anything, it’s likely to lead to an outcome that I would personally be happy with.

Just an observation/prediction.

 

[Eric Albus]

My 2 cents.
NR’s are part of the problem. R’s are part of the problem. I don’t like the number of NR’s I see in 6&7, I also don’t like the number of R’s coming to 6&7. For now pick your region if off the table. Mandatory reporting is off the table. It’s difficult at best to determine the severity of a problem with no support data.


I could not believe the reaction of some legislators to reporting. I even told them the reports would only be released by FWP regionally. Excuses I heard ranged from “to much govt in my life already “ to “I don’t want anyone knowing where I hunt”. Other quotes resistant to change, “this will affect me”. “If we separate wt and Md license, it’ll affect me, I killed my best wt on a Md hunt”.

After being here I’ve concluded, it’s all about ME for most ppl.

Tenable solutions are what is needed. The outfitted clients in 6&7 are primarily on private, most of us in 6 have reduced mule deer clients to near none. There is nothing left. In 7 we’ve all cut hunter numbers way, way back. Some of as much as 50-70%. So the outfitters and their clients are not really a part of the problem. We will get the blame though.

 

[BuzzH]

My 2 cents.
NR’s are part of the problem. R’s are part of the problem. I don’t like the number of NR’s I see in 6&7, I also don’t like the number of R’s coming to 6&7. For now pick your region if off the table. Mandatory reporting is off the table. It’s difficult at best to determine the severity of a problem with no support data.


I could not believe the reaction of some legislators to reporting. I even told them the reports would only be released by FWP regionally. Excuses I heard ranged from “to much govt in my life already “ to “I don’t want anyone knowing where I hunt”. Other quotes resistant to change, “this will affect me”. “If we separate wt and Md license, it’ll affect me, I killed my best wt on a Md hunt”.

After being here I’ve concluded, it’s all about ME for most ppl.

Tenable solutions are what is needed. The outfitted clients in 6&7 are primarily on private, most of us in 6 have reduced mule deer clients to near none. There is nothing left. In 7 we’ve all cut hunter numbers way, way back. Some of as much as 50-70%. So the outfitters and their clients are not really a part of the problem. We will get the blame though.

So much truth to that post.

I'm more than willing to give things up for better mule deer in Montana even though I'll probably never hunt them again there.

The one thing that bothers me is the whole "too much government in my life"...what a worn out argument. Having to follow regulations is not too much government. Making it a requirement to fill out a mandatory harvest report is not too much government. No different than any other hunting regulation. It's not like the MTFWP asks much from hunters, one simple ask is too much? WAFJ.

I heard the same shit when WY wanted to start hunting late mule deer bucks around here for CWD concerns. I said hey, if we're going to kill off mule deer bucks, CWD testing should be mandatory. The response ? "Well, we can't make it mandatory because some will say it's too much government". My response was well, make it a regulation and fine the living shit out of hunters or suspend their license if they don't comply, no different than if they poach.

Don't want to follow the regulations, then you don't get to hunt next year and pay a fine.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Not sure if this was discussed elsewhere. @Ben Lamb @Big Fin you have anymore info on it? Any legs?

Montana hunters request study in hopes of easing crowding

Montana hunters aim to ‘track’ solutions to overcrowding with new study request.

www.montanaoutdoor.com

I think both SJ17 & HB562 have legs. I've spoken with the Skyline and Anaconda boys and it sounds like there's a desire to work with MOGA on this and vice- versa. The primary issue that Butte & Anaconda guys are concerned about is crowding in public land. That's not a bad thing to bring hunters & outfitters together on.

 

[antlerradar]

The one thing that bothers me is the whole "too much government in my life"...what a worn out argument. Having to follow regulations is not too much government. Making it a requirement to fill out a mandatory harvest report is not too much government. No different than any other hunting regulation. It's not like the MTFWP asks much from hunters, one simple ask is too much? WAFJ.

My bet is many are already following the regulations loosely, and don't want to have to report what they are doing.

 

[Rie Bread]

Me me me, me me, me me me.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

“If we separate wt and Md license, it’ll affect me, I killed my best wt on a Md hunt”.

Someone actually said this and was not being sarcastic? That guy or gal should lose hunting privileges for 5 years for that statement. Haha

 

[Forkyfinder]

Someone actually said this and was not being sarcastic? That guy or gal should lose hunting privileges for 5 years for that statement. Haha

I heard a lot of the same when ive told anyone about the mule deer proposal

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

I heard a lot of the same when ive told anyone about the mule deer proposal

That is not a good reason.

 

[Carnage2011]

I’m at the point where I’m starting to judge effectiveness of a proposal based on how pissed the general public is. If they are pissed then it will likely do exactly what is needed. If they are thinking it won’t affect them then it probably doesn’t make a difference for wildlife.

 

[SaskHunter]

So much truth to that post.

I'm more than willing to give things up for better mule deer in Montana even though I'll probably never hunt them again there.

The one thing that bothers me is the whole "too much government in my life"...what a worn out argument. Having to follow regulations is not too much government. Making it a requirement to fill out a mandatory harvest report is not too much government. No different than any other hunting regulation. It's not like the MTFWP asks much from hunters, one simple ask is too much? WAFJ.

I heard the same shit when WY wanted to start hunting late mule deer bucks around here for CWD concerns. I said hey, if we're going to kill off mule deer bucks, CWD testing should be mandatory. The response ? "Well, we can't make it mandatory because some will say it's too much government". My response was well, make it a regulation and fine the living shit out of hunters or suspend their license if they don't comply, no different than if they poach.

Don't want to follow the regulations, then you don't get to hunt next year and pay a fine.

The push back against mandatory reporting has always blown my mind. It's 2025, we have these tools and resources that were not available 15 years ago, allowing us to easily track wildlife and our impact on the herd(s). I can log into my Saskatchewan HAL account and complete all mandatory surveys, from my phone, in less than five minutes. This mild "big government" intrusion into my personal life has allowed the ministry of environment to gain valuable data in order to properly manage our wildlife. Lots of losers complained about mandatory reporting when it came into effect, but they all eventually got over it...

This isn't about the gUbMiNt treading on you, it's about proper wildlife management so that our kids and our kids' kids can still enjoy it down the line.

I just don't get it, what do they have to hide or are they just lazy, stupid or both?

 

[Eric Albus]

I think both SJ17 & HB562 have legs. I've spoken with the Skyline and Anaconda boys and it sounds like there's a desire to work with MOGA on this and vice- versa. The primary issue that Butte & Anaconda guys are concerned about is crowding in public land. That's not a bad thing to bring hunters & outfitters together on.

From what I've been told HB562 will have a much better chance of making it thru, as the fiscal note will be more palatable.

 

[Forkyfinder]

That is not a good reason.

I agree. We just gotta have a tag for whatever we see, even if we are hunting something else.

Just an observation, not in agreement with the reasoning.

 

[brian flatlander]

whine whine whine