these arguments are stale

[Michaelr]

I'm sick of the same arguments being fought over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over......

Right now many of our young American, and Brittish soldiers are putting their lives on the line.

I think now would be the time to put away your Arguments and spend your time doing something for our boys fighting for our freedom, and safty.
I will not participate in any silly assed argument when those boys are giving their lives for my freedom!!
Just my .02
Mike..

 

[Washington Hunter]

Mike, don't read it if you don't like it. And, what would you like us to do for "our boys?" What are you doing?

 

[Ithaca 37]

Mike, By now I hope you've figured out it's a lot of work to think up new topics, find news articles to invite comments on, start discussions, etc. If you don't like the topics you're seeing here, how about starting some you do like? We've gone along with your "challenge" and things have slowed down. Wanna be "the bad guy" for awhile and start some controversial topics to get some lively debates going?

I bet you can't handle the job!

I bet you couldn't take all the personal attacks and lies directed at you!

You got your wish with the "challenge", now what are you going to do when SI slows down?

 

[Lostagain]

IT, there really are more important things going on in the world. Now, is the time to push thru environmental restrictions.

 

[danr55]

You guys want a suggestion?? We at the Boeing Rotorcraft facility in Mesa, are collecting stuff like baby wipes, white cotton socks, granola bars, hard candy, and the like and assembling them into shoe box size packages and mailing them to various relatives in the 3RD. Inf. Div., 101st Airborne Div., 173rd Airborne, and 3rd Marines. We figure that by the end of April we will have enough to send about 1200 care packages.

Why don't you guys put aside your differences long enough to do some good and lend comfort and support to the US Troops in Iraq?

Any of you guys who were in Nam remember what a pair of clean dry socks is worth... Remember what you would have given for something as simple as a tootsie roll pop? Well, what are you waiting for?? If you need names and APOs to mail them to, let me know..

 

[2fastnaz]

Good post Dan. My reasoning exactly.

 

[dgibson]

What part about my posting in this forum implies that I am not doing anything to support the troops? You make issues where there are none. Perhaps the real point of this thread is to thump your chest and say "look what I did for the troops."

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-02-2003 15:23: Message edited by: dgibson ]</font>

 

[Nut]

Let me see if I can understand this post and many others lately(not just at Moosie's either

).

1. I am not allowed to say anything negative about the war,Bush,Bush's policies,Congress,or defend somebody's right to disagree with the war and Bush.

2.I must do something to SHOW I support the troops.

3. I shouldnt post anything in SI or disagree with someone on an issue.


And if I do it will be considered treasonous and unAmerican?


Clear this up please

 

[danr55]

Nut/Gibson, How about if I say "Climb down off of your high horse and quit being a dick!" You understand what the implication is..

It has nothing to do with chest thumping as Gibson was so quick to point out. It has to do with some folks trying to do what we can for the guys who are over in Iraq because they were ordered to go over there and had little choice in the matter. It's not about whether it's right or wrong for America to be there, it's about the kids who are there, scared to death, a long way from home, and realistically not knowing from one minute to the next if they will live or die or ever see their families again.

The only reason anyone has the opportunity to stand up and say, "Hey Mr. President, I think you're an ass and what you're doing with our troops is wrong!", is because men and women just like these, have always answered, every time they were called for 200 plus years.

So if you want to stand up and protest the war, be my guest. I might even stand up right next to you and say I think most of this is a crock of shit. But for the folks who are there, with no choice, who are doing what their President has called on them and ordered them to do,.... cut a little slack. That's all it's about, and I won't apologize to you or any one for being a part of it. I'm not going to pound my chest, I'm going to buy and pack clean socks and tootsie pops and admonish others to do something similar. If they choose not to, that's their choice. It they choose to go toe to toe with me and discuss or argue or debate or rant and rave, then By God, step right up!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-02-2003 17:10: Message edited by: danr55 ]</font>

 

[Nut]

It is just that the basic BS I have been reading since before the military conflict in Iraq started has bothered me. Many people have posted on the various forums that we shouldnt be allowed the basic freedoms the troops are there for and have fought for since we became a country.

It has been the posts like "if you dont support Bush you should leave the country or you are a traitor"(along that line of stupidity).

99% of the people that posted that KIND OF STUFF didnt support the past president and THEY didnt leave
the country while he was there. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Then Michael posted that the issues in here should be dropped and people not disagree. WTF kind of shit is that? Disagreements are what led to America becoming a nation and staying strong. Why should we stop now? Then bin Laden and the other terrorist have won then if we dont keep the life we all grew up with and LOVE.

I am sure we all support the troops and hope all will come home safely. I can only give support with prayers because my family comes first. (If you all only knew how much toilet paper we go through here,it would shock you

) So that is what made me question about sending something. Not all are able to.

I dont think I see anything we posted that was detrimental to supporting the troops that are over there either.

I just dont want anybody TELLING me how to live my life. I have enough of that from the morons in all governments. Local,State and Federal alike.(Then I also have a wife

)

 

[danr55]

Nut, I apologize for the lambasting, but the remark the gibson made about puffing out your chest and saying look at what I'm doing, pissed me off. It's not about me or you or any of us. It's about them, the men and women in uniform.

I don't feel that surrendering our freedoms here gain us anything, but I would sure like to take some of the anti-war folks and show them exactly who it is they are trying to protect.

Reasonable people understand that sometimes, force is necessary. Sometimes if a big kid on the block is pushing the smaller kids around, you have to get a bigger kid to kick thier butt. Right now, we are the biggest kid on all the blocks. I was concerned about the motivation in Washington behind starting this thing. Since I've seen exactly what is coming out of there, I don't think the initial motivation makes a tinker's damn. Saddam and his sons and all of those who surround the man are evil. They murder and rape and torture members of thier own family. That is not the act of a sane or stabile person. I am sorry that US troops had to be the ones to do it, but it's something that had to be done. Should have been done 12 years ago.

So back to what this was originally about. I don't question your support of the troops or how you feel about America. We've known each other too long for that. I guess just having someone challenge the reason that I put up the suggestion and imply that it had something to do with seeking glory or praise for myself or my co-workers, seemed beyond reason.

Hey, enough of this.. we've both got other stuff to do.. besides, we've sent enough socks and chap stick for everyone here to take credit for something...

 

[Washington Hunter]

Excellent post Nut! Dan, what are you doing posting here if you agree with Mike's statement that "I will not participate in any silly assed argument when those boys are giving their lives for my freedom!!" I am sure the soldiers who are over in Iraq would not want us to stop living our lives the way we normally do. Otherwise, what is the point of them even being over there? Like Nut said, if that happens, the terrorists have won. Like Nut, I am tired of people who don't want anybody to say anything negative about Bush. Just because there is a war going on, doesn't mean we all have to suddenly agree with everything Bush does. That is so ridiculous. I really have to wonder how some people's brains work, or if they work at all. I think brainwashing is a big problem in this country, and I bet Rush Limbaugh is responsible for a lot of it.

 

[Nut]

It's okay Dan I understand what we all are about. We are on the same side on this and at least I got a chance to get some of the stuff out that I have had on my mind.

As a father you can understand some of the thoughts that cross my mind at times

As for the anti-war protestors they are a real doozy at times to me. Just because they are against the war doesnt give them the right to block the streets preventing people from going to work. That is when I wont defend their right to disagree. I believe that it is a crime then.

I need to hunt something is what I do know

 

[danr55]

Nut, Com'on down and lets go kill some chit.. I know where there are some yodel dogs that need population control...

WH, You need to get out in the world young man. Your arguments are presumptive and your conclusions are all wrong. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Here, read this... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/WorldNewsTonight/iraq030403_mailcall.html

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-03-2003 06:39: Message edited by: danr55 ]</font>

 

[ELKCHSR]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I really have to wonder how some people's brains work, or if they work at all. I think brainwashing is a big problem in this country, and I bet Rush Limbaugh is responsible for a lot of it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is a statement that comes out of the mouths of those that never listen to the man, only the same old tired diatribe that comes from the left because they don't like what the man say's..
There is no brain washing on that show, the brain washing comes from the constant barrage of the news media and what the movie mogul morons continually spout, it also comes from a big share of the professors in the collages and even down to the teachers in some of the grade schools. This same attitude has permeated our whole society and needs to be changed back to some of the ideals of the old day's that have been tried and tested as true. I see the biggest gripe if the people on the left would just admit it, is the fact that almost every thing that has been done in the last sixty years on the social engineering aspect of things has been failed attempts after failed attempts and they are just to stubborn or ignorant to see that no matter who is running it, or how it is tried, it will not work, nor will it ever, and I think a lot are seeing that now and it really bothers them that every thing they have believed in for their whole lives have been a lie...

 

[Michaelr]

You are all a bunch of asses,

I never said to quit posting, I just thought some of you might take a little time away from telling each other how stupid you think everybody is and do a little something for our kids putting their lives on the line for your freedom.

A pack of socks and a tootsie pop!!!!!!!!!!
Quit being so cynical.

 

[Oak]

Nut said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Just because they are against the war doesnt give them the right to block the streets preventing people from going to work. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree with that! The other day I hear on the radio as I'm going to school that protesters have a major intersection blocked near the college. So, I have to take a detour the police have set up through side streets, making me late for class. I was thinking, "At least these folks are going to learn that there's consequences for their civil disobedience." Then I see on the news later in the day that the police decided to let them stay in the intersection if they would agree to leave in two hours. The police just rerouted traffic from all four directions around that intersection for two hours. It makes me feel like I live in a really safe city if the police have nothing better to do than babysit.

I absolutely agree that protesters have a right to wave a sign at me from the street corner. But when they break the law with their protests, they should be arrested like anyone else would be. There should be consequences, or the police are going to create a problem down the road with the no punishment precident they set last week. As Buzz would say, "what a big steaming pile...".

Oak

 

[dgibson]

Mike, to repeat my question since it has become so twisted, what about my posts here implies that I'm NOT doing something to support the troops?

Dan, sorry I pissed you off, but I'm getting a little tired of the implication that I'm somehow not doing enough for "the war effort." I challenge you to find a single post of mine that said anything derogatory about the war or what's being done. I challenge you to find a single post of mine that says I'm not doing anything for the troops, or that I refuse to do anything. I challenge you to find a single post of mine that implies, suggests, or downright states that I don't appreciate what they're doing for me and my family. I guarantee you won't find any. Just because someone doesn't constantly mention what they're doing, or mail out patriotic emails, or post patriotic pictures doesn't mean they don't care. Thus, the comment about chest-thumping.

And finally, for the record, my original comment was directed at Mike, not you, so

times two.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Of course any idiot that is blocking traffic or breaking the law in any way should be thrown in jail. I don't know what makes them think they can block traffic and disrupt people's lives. Damn idiots!

And, father Dan, I will try to drink some coffee and wake up, if that will make you happy.

 

[Muledeer4me]

Dan,great post's.
Im sure darren just took you wrong,I have known Dan for quite awhile now I never took it that he of all people were thumping his chest.
I think Mike's post's was fair enough ,it come's out of frustration (at least for me) knowing how little we can do for those that are fighing .
I also understand darren and nut's frustration of being told (or thinking they were being told)that they aren't doing anything or doing enough or doing it in the right way.
We have all seen that type of stuff being said down here many time's.
No one know's another person's heart or what they do in there own life,how each of us does our part to help other's our are cause's.
Dan only made a suggestion on what can be done if someone wanted to.
I took it as something good from someone that has been there and understand's it way better then I ever could.
(Nut,Im not sure you have that much to complane about,you have three boys right?
The way my dad told it nothing was worse then living in the house with 4 daughter's ,he said "he went broke and bald trying to keep T.P and Tampon's in the house" )LOL
Darrens quote,
"What part about my posting in this forum implies that I am not doing anything ?You make issues where there are none."

I guess that make's you one of us do-nothing,low life's that we keep seeing other's post about

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