Tennessee Hunter Kills Idaho Grizzly

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Looks like Idaho is going to have to have a bear id test in the years to come. Anti's are in a lather over this. Likely to hear a lot of "ban bear baiting and hound hunting" in the weeks to come.

Grizzly shot in Selway-Bitterroot
By PERRY BACKUS of the Missoulian



For the first time in decades, people venturing into the sprawling Selway-Bitterroot ecosystem are going to be told to keep their eyes peeled for grizzly bears.

That change follows the killing of a large grizzly bear in a roadless area of north-central Idaho, where the last confirmed sighting of the species came in 1946.

The grizzly was shot Sept. 3 by a Tennessee hunter near Kelly Creek, about three miles from the Montana border.


The hunter was on a guided trip hunting black bear over bait, which is legal in Idaho. The guide wasn't present when the grizzly was shot.

The bear was a young 400- to 500-pound male that was between 6 and 9 years old, said Chris Servheen, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's grizzly bear recovery coordinator.

“It was dark-colored with golden silver tips,” Servheen said. “It was very visibly a grizzly bear. The hunter was very regretful. It was shot in a place where he wasn't expecting to encounter a grizzly.

“There's been no documentation of a grizzly bear there for more than 60 years,” he said.

It's hard to tell where the bear came from or how long it had been there.

“The area is excellent grizzly bear habitat,” Servheen said. “The bear could have been there for a long period of time without anyone knowing it was there.”

Kelly Creek is in a 250,000-acre roadless area known as the Great Burn.

Wildlife officials have long thought grizzly bears would eventually repopulate the area on their own.

The bear's DNA will be tested in an attempt to determine if it originated from either the Cabinet-Yaak ecosystem or the Northern Continental Divide ecosystem, which includes Glacier National Park.

Servheen said it's likely there could be other grizzly bears in the area.

“If one bear was able to make its way there, I think it's very likely that others could, too,” he said.

That fact could change the way people use portions of the Selway-Bitterroot ecosystem.

“The whole mind-set starts changing now that people may see a grizzly in the area,” he said.

Both federal and state wildlife managers are already making plans to let people know they might encounter a grizzly bear, and to emphasize that the bears remain protected under the Endangered Species Act in this area.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service lifted Endangered Species Act protections for grizzlies in and around Yellowstone National Park this spring. But the dead bear wasn't part of that population.

Officials say the shooting remains under investigation.

In the meantime, Servheen said signs telling bear hunters to take a good hard look at their target before pulling the trigger will be going up at area trailheads.

“Now that we have documentation, we're making great efforts to ensure that people know that grizzly bears could be in the area, especially hunters,” Servheen said. “We will be widely distributing signs to make people aware that grizzly bears are here.”

Officials may look at other ways to protect grizzlies in the Selway-Bitterroot.

“I've already put together a two-page list of issues that need to be discussed,” Servheen said. “We're meeting today to talk about some of those.”

The Friends of the Clearwater, a conservation group based in Moscow, Idaho, said the grizzly bear death was no surprise. In a letter to Servheen, the group said there have been reports of grizzly bears in the Bitterroot Mountains dating back into the late 1990s.

With confirmation in hand of grizzlies in the area, the group called on federal and state wildlife managers to take “swift action” to prevent further grizzly deaths from mistaken identity.

Its suggestions included requiring black bear hunters and outfitters using the area to receive training in bear identification. The group wants wildlife officials to inspect every bear killed in the area.

The group also wants the Fish and Wildlife Service to review Idaho's black bear hunting regulations that allow for baiting and hounding of bears, spring and fall hunting, and a liberal “take” in the Clearwater Basin.

“The huge number of black bear permits, the long seasons, and the fact that baiting and hounding are allowed in hunting black bears makes it even more likely tragedies like this will happen in the future,” said Will Boyd, Friends of the Clearwater's education director. “The Fish and Wildlife Service and Idaho Department of Fish and Game must change black bear hunting policies to make them friendly to grizzly recovery.”
 
BHR- I don't think you will be hearing much about baiting and hounds as much as you're going to hear about re-introduction. They have been talking about it for a while but this is exactly what they need to really get the hype going again (the same way they used the wolf pack in the 9 mile area). They said the last known Grizzly sighting was 1946 but my Grandpa shot a Grizzly in the Bitteroot later than that.
 
think they will throw the stones to the Tenn boy?
The hunter was very regretful

ya think!
Imagine the conversatiopn between him and his guide.
guide: how'd ya do?
hillbilly: got me a bigun layin rite over yonder.
guide: you killed a f$%^*Ig grizzly you dumb-ass!
hunter: dag-nabbit!
 
Imagine the conversatiopn between him and his guide.
guide: how'd ya do?
hillbilly: got me a bigun layin rite over yonder.
guide: you killed a f$%^*Ig grizzly you dumb-ass!
hunter: dag-nabbit!

LMAO!
 
BigWhore,
YOu sound like a little 5-year old school girl running around being all dramatic and reporting a group "in a lather"....

Yeah, writing a letter sure seems like being in a "lather" in BigWhore's world....

Anti's are in a lather over this.

The Friends of the Clearwater, a conservation group based in Moscow, Idaho, said the grizzly bear death was no surprise. In a letter to Servheen, the group said there have been reports of grizzly bears in the Bitterroot Mountains dating back into the late 1990s.

With confirmation in hand of grizzlies in the area, the group called on federal and state wildlife managers to take “swift action” to prevent further grizzly deaths from mistaken identity.

Its suggestions included requiring black bear hunters and outfitters using the area to receive training in bear identification. The group wants wildlife officials to inspect every bear killed in the area.

The group also wants the Fish and Wildlife Service to review Idaho's black bear hunting regulations that allow for baiting and hounding of bears, spring and fall hunting, and a liberal “take” in the Clearwater Basin.

“The huge number of black bear permits, the long seasons, and the fact that baiting and hounding are allowed in hunting black bears makes it even more likely tragedies like this will happen in the future,” said Will Boyd, Friends of the Clearwater's education director. “The Fish and Wildlife Service and Idaho Department of Fish and Game must change black bear hunting policies to make them friendly to grizzly recovery.”
 
Here's what some of the kook's at Ralph's site are saying Jose.......

skyrim Says:
September 8th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
I don’t get it. Why do these fools always get anonymity when it comes to these screw ups? Ya, their sad……….
Sad the rug won’t be on display in this guys den…………
If ya can’t tell a black from a grizzly you shouldn’t be in the damn field with a gun.

kt Says:
September 8th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
And this bear was BAITED - so the Great White Hunter was likely mighty close - as the bear came into the rotten donut grease - or whatever the Guide had put out in advance …

SAP Says:
September 8th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
A couple thoughts:

1. In a PERVERSE way (I can’t believe I even think this way, but 15 years in this business can warp you severely!), we should be grateful they whacked this bear. With a dead bear on the table, there can be no more denial about grizzlies living in Central Idaho.

I know, I know, they may have shot the only one there, but I kind of doubt it. Can you imagine official denials had they just reported a sighting, or even provided a photo?

2. It will be interesting to find out where he came from — GYE or NCDE? Smart money is on the latter.

3. Sad but true, one of the pro-baiting arguments is that it gives the shooter greater opportunity to identify his target!

kt Says:
September 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
SAP: I don’t know much about grizzlies. Are different populations genetically distinct enough that it will be possible to tell what population the bear was from?

Also - I had thought bear baiting was done in spring - not in late summer/fall?????

Mikeh Says:
September 9th, 2007 at 6:04 am
You have to be kidding me. This is huge news.

This may be a good time to limit bear baiting in this area.

Monty Says:
September 9th, 2007 at 9:41 am
They are not hunters but “shooters” who have no more hunting skills than my grandmother. Killing, killing killing, that’s what it’s all about! One would think that the “guide” could tell this fool from Tenn. that it was a Grizzley & not a black bear.

Pronghorn Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 9:10 am
The article states that the guide was not present when the bear was shot. Excuse my ignorance, but these low-life scum put out BAIT and then shoot the animal that comes for the bait? Ah, the “ethics” of “hunting.” I wouldn’t want my name in the paper, either. But they are consuming (and one of them is profitting off of) a public resource (if you can force yourself to think of wildlife that way) and SHOULD be identified–at least the outfitter. On whose decision is anonymity granted?

Pronghorn Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Great White Hunter, indeed:

“You’ll be staying in a modern, comfortable cozy bunkhouse. Breakfast and dinner (included) will be eaten at the lodge. Lunches will be packed and eaten in the field. Each morning your guide will pick you up and you will be off on the hunt. Depending on weather and road conditions you will use 4×4 vehciles, snow mobiles, or sometimes on foot to designated hunting areas. Both bear and cougar hunting are physically and mentally demanding sports. After a full day of hunting, you’ll want to relax in comfort with a hearty meal, a hot shower, great companionship and a cozy bed.”

Physically and mentally demanding!!! More of this hilarity (and poorly-written text) at http://www.outdoor-connection.com/Big_Game_Black_Bear_Idaho.htm

matt bullard Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Rocky Barker has a blog entry on this incident today that discusses some of the potential ramifications.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/419/story/154693.html

I think SAP was on to something with those comments above. Regarding specifically the comment on baiting as a way to better identify the target, the same has been said about hunting bears and cats with dogs. A scientist I know who does work in central Idaho made the argument that Oregon’s ban of hunting cats with dogs would result in more orphaned (and thus more dangerous to people) cougars due to hunters not being able to correctly identify female cats with a kittens…

Mikeh Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 10:24 am
Snippet From Barker’s article:

“The decision was an early sign the Bush Administration was no more interested in local control than the Clinton Administration had been when it pushed its roadless plan on the West”

Rocky is aware that there were massive amounts of meetings and multiple comment periods for Clinton’s Roadless Initiative across the country, right?

Interesting choice of words.

be Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 11:12 am
It is an interesting choice of words… ‘local control’ is all-too-often code for anti-conservation control. perhaps he is demonstrating the irony of the willingness of federal power to usurp local contribution when anti-conservationists are in charge.

elkhunter Says:
September 10th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
The guide should of done his job and informed his client of the possibility of a grizzly bear being present. They should both be fined.
 
BigWhore,
Guess you have low standards for "lather".....

Seems like you are in a "lather" because somebody posted something on somebody's website.....

Big flippin' deal. Baiting in Idaho has been controversial for 10 years or more. Idaho hunters now they have to be careful or they will lose that privledge. This stupid HillBilly from Tennesee will just make it more difficult for real hunters.
 

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