Suppressor

[turbobrick]

I saw a can at the local gun store yesterday that the threads started 1/2 way inside the can. 1/2 can was in front of barrel- 1/2 can extended back down the barrel towards the shooter.
I have wondered in the past why that hadn’t been done. It was in .25 cal so I didn’t spend much time checking it out.

Anyone know the name? Pros and cons?

Amtac maybe?

That is a legacy suppressor design, several companies made them, they are typically associated with military use. Ops Inc and Allen Engineering are probably the best known, its usually called an over the barrel design. Amtac makes them now as does Griffin and numerous other boutique builders. The design had a place back in the day, some were used in Vietnam, but its not as efficient as modern designs. They are bulky and heavy compared to the best designs in use today.

 

[kodiakisland]

I have a Gemtech Tracker that is perfect for shooting out of stands/blinds or when little walking/stalking is needed. It does an excellent job of noise and recoil reduction.
I have a Dead Air Nomad-Ti for stalking that is lighter and shorter than the Tracker. It spends most of it's time on my SBR 300BLK but is great for hunting too.
Both are direct thread to save weight.

 

[WanderWoman]

I’m jumping on the suppressor bandwagon but hemming and hawing about which one to get. Our local sporting goods store highly recommends the Scythe Ti, as do plenty of others I’ve talked to, but I don’t want to miss out on something that may be a better fit. A good friend suggested looking at the AB Raptor too. Any others? Pros and cons if you have any?

Right now I shoot a a Winchester Model 70 in .270. Will probably get that threaded for the meantime. Also in the market for a newer, lighter rifle but still trying to decide between Tikka, Weatherby, and Bergara. Tikka in the lead, but handled a Mark V this week and am a little smitten. Thinking 7mm RM, 280 AI (only available in Weatherby), or 7mm-08. Main point I bring this up is barrel length is a factor, so then suppressor length is too. I don’t want to cut a barrel down too much, and the advantage of the AB is that it overlaps the barrel a little. For those more familiar, is that enough of an advantage to be worth it? Has anyone used both and could speak to recoil/noise reduction differences between the two?

 

[Gynaroo]

I’m jumping on the suppressor bandwagon but hemming and hawing about which one to get. Our local sporting goods store highly recommends the Scythe Ti, as do plenty of others I’ve talked to, but I don’t want to miss out on something that may be a better fit. A good friend suggested looking at the AB Raptor too. Any others? Pros and cons if you have any?

Right now I shoot a a Winchester Model 70 in .270. Will probably get that threaded for the meantime. Also in the market for a newer, lighter rifle but still trying to decide between Tikka, Weatherby, and Bergara. Tikka in the lead, but handled a Mark V this week and am a little smitten. Thinking 7mm RM, 280 AI (only available in Weatherby), or 7mm-08. Main point I bring this up is barrel length is a factor, so then suppressor length is too. I don’t want to cut a barrel down too much, and the advantage of the AB is that it overlaps the barrel a little. For those more familiar, is that enough of an advantage to be worth it? Has anyone used both and could speak to recoil/noise reduction differences between the two?

If you look up the scythe on RokSlide or other similar forums you will see a recent weld issue causing failure. Still a great can. But many people have some crazy pictures of their cans there.

I have learned to look at different silencers on the major dealers. Then I will look up Pewscience and see where they rank. If I would have done that when I first jumped into the silencer game I would have chosen different.

I just bought an AB Warthog. It’s a short can that is as quite as the banish back country for 450 dollars less. The raptor is a bigger can so I’d expect it to do even better.

 

[WanderWoman]

If you look up the scythe on RokSlide or other similar forums you will see a recent weld issue causing failure. Still a great can. But many people have some crazy pictures of their cans there.

I have learned to look at different silencers on the major dealers. Then I will look up Pewscience and see where they rank. If I would have done that when I first jumped into the silencer game I would have chosen different.

I just bought an AB Warthog. It’s a short can that is as quite as the banish back country for 450 dollars less. The raptor is a bigger can so I’d expect it to do even better.

Thank you! I will look into all of this. Disappointing to hear about the Scythes. At first glance that Pewscience page looks filled with good stuff.

Much appreciated.

 

[Matthew57]

If you look up the scythe on RokSlide or other similar forums you will see a recent weld issue causing failure. Still a great can. But many people have some crazy pictures of their cans there.

I have learned to look at different silencers on the major dealers. Then I will look up Pewscience and see where they rank. If I would have done that when I first jumped into the silencer game I would have chosen different.

I just bought an AB Warthog. It’s a short can that is as quite as the banish back country for 450 dollars less. The raptor is a bigger can so I’d expect it to do even better.

Man, I just saw that too. I’ve been giving my Scythe the side eye since reading that thread. Not comforting to see some of those photos.

 

[Gynaroo]

Man, I just saw that too. I’ve been giving my Scythe the side eye since reading that thread. Not comforting to see some of those photos.

No. Some of those pictures are eye opening. It does sound like SilencerCo is taking care of everyone. I wonder if they should have barrel length restrictions for certain calibers. An 18” 6.5 CM is way different then a 18” 7PRC. Who knows.

 

[Caseknife]

Don't be afraid of chopping the barrel back 4" or so, 24-20. Lose about 100 fps, and will only add 2-3" to the original length. Just built a 7 PRC with a 20" barrel, getting just over 3000 with the 155 Absolute Hammer.

 

[Gynaroo]

Thank you! I will look into all of this. Disappointing to hear about the Scythes. At first glance that Pewscience page looks filled with good stuff.

Much appreciated.

I think the scythe is a good can. They just seem to be working through something right now.

Pewscience helps take out the “bro science” and puts real data out there. Jay hasn’t done all silencers on the market. But he has done a bunch. His podcast is an audio version of the website. You can find a particular silencer and get its ranking. I think his podcast is the Jay Situation. Very much an engineer/physics podcast. So it can be a difficult listen.

 

[Gynaroo]

Don't be afraid of chopping the barrel back 4" or so, 24-20. Lose about 100 fps, and will only add 2-3" to the original length. Just built a 7 PRC with a 20" barrel, getting just over 3000 with the 155 Absolute Hammer.

Agree 100%. I was just speaking to the scythe having some failures and speculating that it might be not rated well for short magnums.

All of my rifles with one exception have been shortened to accommodate a silencer. No real change in performance. Just a little slower. Animals don’t know the difference.

 

[Matthew57]

No. Some of those pictures are eye opening. It does sound like SilencerCo is taking care of everyone. I wonder if they should have barrel length restrictions for certain calibers. An 18” 6.5 CM is way different then a 18” 7PRC. Who knows.

It’s good that they’re fixing things as they come up, but their lack of barrel length restrictions is glaring for sure. Guess when I shoot mine I’ll need to double check the darn thing is still there.

 

[Caseknife]

Agree 100%. I was just speaking to the scythe having some failures and speculating that it might be not rated well for short magnums.

All of my rifles with one exception have been shortened to accommodate a silencer. No real change in performance. Just a little slower. Animals don’t know the difference.

I was responding to @WanderWoman, actually.

Looking at some of the Scythe failures and I think you are correct in that it may be due to short barrels on big magnums causing the majority of the issues.

 

[Caseknife]

Not to side track too far, but what is the recommended clearance for caliber for a suppressor. I measured my Bannish 223 bore, can't remember the specs, but it seemed that a .243 bullet would clear with no problem, like maybe with .010 clearance. Definitely would be reliant on how true the threads were on the barrel.

 

[WanderWoman]

I was responding to @WanderWoman, actually.

Looking at some of the Scythe failures and I think you are correct in that it may be due to short barrels on big magnums causing the majority of the issues.

I’m aiming for a 22” barrel, although I’ve seen some 7mm-08s in 20” too. Reading through the RS thread it might not be a huge issue for what I’m looking for. Good news is I have plenty of time to change my mind about 1000x and see how some of this shakes out.

 

[Caseknife]

I’m aiming for a 22” barrel, although I’ve seen some 7mm-08s in 20” too. Reading through the RS thread it might not be a huge issue for what I’m looking for. Good news is I have plenty of time to change my mind about 1000x and see how some of this shakes out.

Definitely think you could go as short as 18-20" on your 7-08 without losing too much performance.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Scythe is my main hunting can but I wouldn’t buy one to live on a magnum with the weld failures that have been happening.

 

[Robert N]

I saw that Rokslide thread and it’s really disheartening to me. I was torn between an ultralight or a TBAC Ultra 7…that thread made my decision super easy.

My primary hunting rifle the past couple years is a 24” 308. The problem is that even with a shorty 6.25” silencer it’s still a super long beast at 30+ inches of barrel! I have a Remington 22” 7mm SAUM and I’ve been seriously contemplating cutting it down to 18” and threading it for a silencer.

 

[Addicting]

I’m jumping on the suppressor bandwagon but hemming and hawing about which one to get. Our local sporting goods store highly recommends the Scythe Ti, as do plenty of others I’ve talked to, but I don’t want to miss out on something that may be a better fit. A good friend suggested looking at the AB Raptor too. Any others? Pros and cons if you have any?

Right now I shoot a a Winchester Model 70 in .270. Will probably get that threaded for the meantime. Also in the market for a newer, lighter rifle but still trying to decide between Tikka, Weatherby, and Bergara. Tikka in the lead, but handled a Mark V this week and am a little smitten. Thinking 7mm RM, 280 AI (only available in Weatherby), or 7mm-08. Main point I bring this up is barrel length is a factor, so then suppressor length is too. I don’t want to cut a barrel down too much, and the advantage of the AB is that it overlaps the barrel a little. For those more familiar, is that enough of an advantage to be worth it? Has anyone used both and could speak to recoil/noise reduction differences between the two?

So threading your barrel may have expensive consequences if you don’t know what you’re buying.

Your barrel diameter will dictate the options for threading. Not all suppressors are compatible with all thread pitches. Some only come in 223 diameter for 1/2-28. 9/16-24 is not available in every manufacturers adapters. 5/8-24 is standard but you may not have enough barrel diameter to use it.

I would ensure you know what your options are before you thread it. Otherwise you may have to run a extra adapter that will add length to your setup.

 

[Caseknife]

When I got my Banish 30, I got the 1/2-28 to 5/8-24 adapter and it only adds about 1/8" to the total length. Works great, the only issue is when it is installed, sometimes it comes off with the suppressor when removing said suppressor and sometimes not, end wrench solves that. This a direct thread set-up.

 

[Fire_9]

So threading your barrel may have expensive consequences if you don’t know what you’re buying.

Your barrel diameter will dictate the options for threading. Not all suppressors are compatible with all thread pitches. Some only come in 223 diameter for 1/2-28. 9/16-24 is not available in every manufacturers adapters. 5/8-24 is standard but you may not have enough barrel diameter to use it.

I would ensure you know what your options are before you thread it. Otherwise you may have to run an extra adapter that will add length to your setup.

This is really a non issue. If it has to be threaded 1/2, a $20-30 thread adapter solves the problem without adding any additional length