Study: Hunters Die After Consuming CWD-Infected Venison

[Irrelevant]

The what?

The Masshole?

 

[44hunter45]

The Masshole?

I miss that guy. Nice kid for an O&G shill.

 

[WIbiggame]

I would give you replacement tag.

Ok, so in WY state average for deer positive was 18.3 or something up from 17.1.

So if you get a positive test and another tag that takes 18% of tags out of the equation or would it be untop of the capper NR tags sold?

Here in WI if you shoot a deer get it tested and it's positive. You get to keep everything and you get another either sex tag. I know of guys out shooting doe knowing very high likelihood of positive test. Than they get a buck tag good for this season and next.

It will get real interesting imo if/when tags are getting reissued for positive tests. You think point creep is bad now.

 

[Nick87]

Ok, so in WY state average for deer positive was 18.3 or something up from 17.1.

So if you get a positive test and another tag that takes 18% of tags out of the equation or would it be untop of the capper NR tags sold?

Here in WI if you shoot a deer get it tested and it's positive. You get to keep everything and you get another either sex tag. I know of guys out shooting doe knowing very high likelihood of positive test. Than they get a buck tag good for this season and next.

It will get real interesting imo if/when tags are getting reissued for positive tests. You think point creep is bad now.

I'm in the camp of it tests positive That's a risk you took going into the drawing.

 

[WIbiggame]

I'm in the camp of it tests positive That's a risk you took going into the drawing.

I'm in this camp too as well as the ignorance is bliss in regards to testing. If the animal appears health meat looks good it's getting eaten not tested. Unless mandatory obviously

 

[Nick87]

I'm in this camp too as well as the ignorance is bliss in regards to testing. If the animal appears health meat looks good it's getting eaten not tested. Unless mandatory obviously

Gun season is mandatory here, which I've got zero problem with. (How they manage after the data is a different story). Never had one tested during archery as long as they appear healthy. And I am in the "hot zone".

 

[44hunter45]

Ok, so in WY state average for deer positive was 18.3 or something up from 17.1.

So if you get a positive test and another tag that takes 18% of tags out of the equation or would it be untop of the capper NR tags sold?

Here in WI if you shoot a deer get it tested and it's positive. You get to keep everything and you get another either sex tag. I know of guys out shooting doe knowing very high likelihood of positive test. Than they get a buck tag good for this season and next.

It will get real interesting imo if/when tags are getting reissued for positive tests. You think point creep is bad now.

I wasn't putting that much energy into it, but I'll play.

Replacement tag is outside the quota because you took a CWD positive out of the field. Assuming if a state considers CWD positive animal to be a full value asset, they will keep those tags in-quota. If they consider them a liability, you are doing them a favor by removing them.

If I were the fictional Director, I would hold that the positive press we get from "working with hunters to solve the CWD problem" would offset keeping the tags out-of-quota. CWD positive animals skew management plans and cause NR hunters to apply elsewhere, let's reward those who remove them. I would even let you keep the ivories. The antlers would be used by the agency for educational and promotional purposes. Or we would sell them on eBay for some revenue to offset the admin costs of issuing you a new tag. We would have to get something out of the deal.

You bring up my only reason for making hunters choose. Are hunters scamming the system when they get to keep everything? I'm not interested in exploring that it is only does, etc.
Like I said, I'm not putting that much energy into this.

I often write 10 sentences when one would do. The point I was making is that we need real-time testing.

 

[longbow51]

We may be closer to answers on transmisability.

New study reveals mechanism for how disease-spreading prions can jump from one species to another

Finding suggests transmission between species may be possible In a new study, researchers from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine have identified the structure of protein fibrils linked to a hereditary form of human prion disease. This insight, they say, reveals the mechanism...

thedaily.case.edu

 

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We may be closer to answers on transmisability.

New study reveals mechanism for how disease-spreading prions can jump from one species to another

Finding suggests transmission between species may be possible In a new study, researchers from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine have identified the structure of protein fibrils linked to a hereditary form of human prion disease. This insight, they say, reveals the mechanism...

thedaily.case.edu

Originally published 2 yrs ago. Wonder what more they know now

 

[longbow51]

Originally published 2 yrs ago. Wonder what more they know now

Actually looks like you can contact him. If I were a game biologist I would, but I'm not all that knowledgable about CWD, although I know a lot about prions. Friends of mine did research on them, and one worked in the lab with the guy when he discovered them.

 

[Stone_Ice_1]

As has been pointed out before, CWD has been around a while. I am sure there are many animals that have been eaten, maybe even by you and me, that unknowingly to the eater(s) had CWD. If it was easily transmissible then we would have heard about it by now.

Not saying it isn't possible, but it appears the risk of getting CWD from eating an infected animal is at its highest, very low. That said, if I had one tested positive, would I eat it? I don't know, I haven't had that happen yet.

 

[manitou1]

Guess what?
All hunters are going to die, whether they ate cwd infected meat or non-infected meat.
That is all the data proves.

I wager that hundreds of thousands of us have eaten cwd "infected" meat.

 

[manitou1]

A good friend from northern Wyoming died from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease after eating CWD-infected venison. It's a horrible way to die. Because I live where CWD is present in the mule deer population, I see no reason not to get my deer tested by the G&F before consuming. It needs to hang at least a week anyway: about the time it takes to get the test results back.

A friend of mine's grandmother died of CJD. She never at venison.
Many people have died of CJD that have never touched wild game.
No proof of causation.

 

[manitou1]

Here in Pa we have CWD in some areas. One of my old hunting partners lived in such an area, and ate LOTS of deer he shot there

He passed this year, but the cause was a tractor that overturned on him......not an infected deer on his dinner plate. IMO this is just another attempt to put a stop to deer hunting and nothing more.

Yeah, but eating deer caused the tractor to flip over on him, don't ya know?

Agreeing with you and the sarcasm is as rational as the article discussed on this post.

 

[manitou1]

I'm right there with you on hating the idea of wasting meat. I decided long ago after doing my own research that I'm not throwing any deer out. I will continue to practice what I was tought growing up if the deer appears healthy in life and everything looks good when cutting it up it's getting eaten.

Your above thought really sums it up for me. If I had to throw my deer out I'd take up bird hunting or maybe golf. OK well not golf but you get it. Pretty sure my family being the epicenter of cwd transfer from eating a couple positive deer is about as likely as a astroid landing on our house while we all sleep.

I would take the asteroid over the torture of playing golf.

 

[manitou1]

We may be closer to answers on transmisability.

New study reveals mechanism for how disease-spreading prions can jump from one species to another

Finding suggests transmission between species may be possible In a new study, researchers from Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine have identified the structure of protein fibrils linked to a hereditary form of human prion disease. This insight, they say, reveals the mechanism...

thedaily.case.edu

Yeah, but please note that this is written referring to HUMAN prion disease.

One could assume if they make headway with CJD that it would be a catalyst for understanding CWD though.

 

[44hunter45]

How do we manage Mad Cow? With testing, to be sure. But we do not test every beef cow butchered for MCD. We do not allow the butchering of "downers", meaning obviously unhealthy animals.

There a is corollary for hunters. Don't shoot obviously unhealthy animals. I would say odds of getting prion disease from deer are about the same as the rest of the population getting prion disease after eating commercially raised beef. Better in fact, since there are no proven human cases from venison. No matter what the so called study says. So out of all the beef consumed around the globe, how many human MCD cases are there? I do not know the number, but it is minuscule. The comparison to MCD in humans and CWD in humans is very nearly dividing by zero.

We should be talking about how any periodical can consider the cited paper a "study". It is merely a few researchers alerting their colleagues of a possible correlation. Presumably to make them aware should they be presented with new cases. That the author of the story and the editors of Field and Stream consider this a study says more about them. Instagram Science.

Next week - Trophic Cascade.

 

[WildWill]

How do we manage Mad Cow? With testing, to be sure. But we do not test every beef cow butchered for MCD. We do not allow the butchering of "downers", meaning obviously unhealthy animals.

There a is corollary for hunters. Don't shoot obviously unhealthy animals. I would say odds of getting prion disease from deer are about the same as the rest of the population getting prion disease after eating commercially raised beef. Better in fact, since there are no proven human cases from venison. No matter what the so called study says. So out of all the beef consumed around the globe, how many human MCD cases are there? I do not know the number, but it is minuscule. The comparison to MCD in humans and CWD in humans is very nearly dividing by zero.

We should be talking about how any periodical can consider the cited paper a "study". It is merely a few researchers alerting their colleagues of a possible correlation. Presumably to make them aware should they be presented with new cases. That the author of the story and the editors of Field and Stream consider this a study says more about them. Instagram Science.

Next week - Trophic Cascade.

Stop using logic when there's fear to be spread!

 

[SaskHunter]

TBH, I'm more concerned about severing the spinal column of an infected buck, boiling it, pressure washing/spreading the sh*t out of the infected prions around by backyard and hanging that CWD infected skull in my house/shop for the rest of my life, then I am eating infected meat that never really came into contact with spinal fluid.

Infected prions are located in the brain and spinal chord/fluid. When you clean an infected skull, you pretty much spread the crap out of the infected prions. Maybe it's not transferable to humans and maybe I've sprayed myself in the mouth with infected prions because I'm a dumb mouth breather. Either way, that stuff would be all over my back yard, dumb dog who rolls in it or eat every possible left over bits, pots I've boiled it in, etc.

I still won't feed it to my kids and now I'm starting to think about double bagging and freezing heads until I get CWD results. Ignorance is bliss and while I'm not super worried about it for now, I'm still going to be a lot more careful with it going forward.

 

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Well this ideological CF will have to wait for another time, test came back negative. Tasty WT here we come