Southern Elk
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I’m glad to see Montana’s two republican senators on the right side of this. It’s unfortunate that more aren’t.
Selling Public Land for Budget Reconciliatory Bill
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brocksw
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I believe this is the amendment that was rejected
Matthew57
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Disappointed to see one of my senators listed as “Not Voting”. I’ll be leaving her a message letting her know.I believe this is the amendment that was rejected
Meteetse Trail
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Rep Troy Downing (R-MT) has been silent on this issue. I tried to get on his town hall call today...never got around to my comments on public land. No way can I vote for any Democrat given what they have become. But if Republicans continue on this road, maybe we can start a new Public Lands Party or some such. Even a few votes for a new party can stir things up.
They will listen when their jobs are in danger. Plebs like us can’t sway them with money bc we don’t have enough on an individual level.
Only way for us is through grassroots movements, making our voice heard and our dollars heard through pooling in organizations.
Only way for us is through grassroots movements, making our voice heard and our dollars heard through pooling in organizations.
Southern Elk
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Another link to contact your lawmakers.
Not to be a Debbi downer but it will never happen. Look at the post above yours. Folks are so entrenched in party no matter if their elected official ignores them.
Public lands just don’t rank high enough for people to even consider voting a mixed ballot.
44hunter45
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Thank you Sen Daines and Senator Sheehy for being the only two Republicans with the balls to cross the aisle on this amendment trying to block the sale of Federal lands.
The rest of you Republicans should move to Utah. That's whom you appear to represent. I'm betting none of you would find a housing shortage. Particularly after your developer crones reward you for taking care of them.
The rest of you Republicans should move to Utah. That's whom you appear to represent. I'm betting none of you would find a housing shortage. Particularly after your developer crones reward you for taking care of them.
Forkyfinder
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Takes very little time.Another link to contact your lawmakers.
COEngineer
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I called my Rep, Jeff Crank and told him I hunt, fish, camp, hike...everything on federal public lands and the short-term fix to budget issues is not worth selling public land.
His number is 719-520-0055
His number is 719-520-0055
Pucky Freak
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Thanks, Idaho Rep. Simpson (R) for trying. US House passed identical to Senate budget reconciliation bill yesterday.Thank you Sen Daines and Senator Sheehy for being the only two Republicans with the balls to cross the aisle on this amendment trying to block the sale of Federal lands.
The rest of you Republicans should move to Utah. That's whom you appear to represent. I'm betting none of you would find a housing shortage. Particularly after your developer crones reward you for taking care of them.
Everyone say goodbye to 500,000 acres of USFS land, gone forever.
geetar
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If we saw a list of all the things that are actually part of the national debt it would piss us off even more. We probably still owe for someones trans surgery, some war plane we gave some other country, some cell phones that were used to buy votes and a whole list of stupid things and the fact that this administration would sell off land to pay for the stupidity of past administrations just reminds me why I hate politics on both sides.
Pucky Freak
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and how many billions of $$ in bribes of foreign officials, etc.
BuzzH
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I'd rather pay for war planes and cell phones than peddle off public lands.
There's no excuse or justification for that bullshit.
We're not talking serious math when it comes to the US Budget. Only complication is in Congress and the whining constituents who want services beyond what they are willing to pay for.
Gross revenues - $4.92 Trillion
Mandatory expenditures (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Interest) - $4.13 Trillion
Defense - $853 Billion
Before a single discretionary dollar (other than defense) is spent, we are already in the hole by $63 Billion.
So, every discretionary dollar we spend (usually just under $1 Trillion per year) adds to the US debt. Add in a few natural disasters, a few other crisis, bailing out a bunch of Wall Streeters every decade or so, and we're even further in the hole before we fund basic government services we all count on to provide the quality of life we enjoy.
It makes me laugh that DOGE is going to change the financial picture in a meaningful way. Add in that Congress is trying to find a way to fund a tax cut that will put the budget in the hole by another $1-2 Trillion, and one has to question if anyone in Congress can even balance a check book.
Cut every dollar of discretionary spending, shut down all basic government services, and we are still adding more to the current $32-35 Trillion of net debt.
And somehow selling our public land is going to solve Congress' budget dereliction?
To have $30+ Trillion in debt means that we, mostly my generation and older, have asked for $30+ Trillion of government services that we were unwilling to pay for. That's $30+ Trillion of wealth sitting on the balance sheets of older Americans that should have been used to pay for the services we demanded.
Boomers claim we have been such a hard working, prosperous, and industrious generation, which could be true, but one truism beyond any doubt is that we sure don't like to pay our own way. We've used the election and legislative process to force future generations to pay for our desired level of services.
The reality is, without revenue increases, we will never get out of this hole. Rather, we will continue to pile on more debt for the younger folks as we demand more and more in services. Yet, even the mention of a tax increase sends Boomers into orbit. Collectively, us Boomers are sitting on $30+Trillion of assets that should have went to the government to pay for the services we've demanded along the way.
There are 76 Million Boomers still alive. If you divide $30 Trillion of debt among those 76 million of us Boomers, we each benefited, on average, by $394,000 that we didn't pay to cover the services we demanded from our government.
It truly is not much more complicated than that. Unless, you are part of the DC machine that lives in an alternate reality. And both sides are living in that alternate reality, just whether you're alternate reality is on the revenue side, the expense side, or both sides of the financial equation.
To think selling public lands is somehow going to solve that problem doesn't pass the "laugh out loud test."
Bedtime.
Gross revenues - $4.92 Trillion
Mandatory expenditures (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Interest) - $4.13 Trillion
Defense - $853 Billion
Before a single discretionary dollar (other than defense) is spent, we are already in the hole by $63 Billion.
So, every discretionary dollar we spend (usually just under $1 Trillion per year) adds to the US debt. Add in a few natural disasters, a few other crisis, bailing out a bunch of Wall Streeters every decade or so, and we're even further in the hole before we fund basic government services we all count on to provide the quality of life we enjoy.
It makes me laugh that DOGE is going to change the financial picture in a meaningful way. Add in that Congress is trying to find a way to fund a tax cut that will put the budget in the hole by another $1-2 Trillion, and one has to question if anyone in Congress can even balance a check book.
Cut every dollar of discretionary spending, shut down all basic government services, and we are still adding more to the current $32-35 Trillion of net debt.
And somehow selling our public land is going to solve Congress' budget dereliction?
To have $30+ Trillion in debt means that we, mostly my generation and older, have asked for $30+ Trillion of government services that we were unwilling to pay for. That's $30+ Trillion of wealth sitting on the balance sheets of older Americans that should have been used to pay for the services we demanded.
Boomers claim we have been such a hard working, prosperous, and industrious generation, which could be true, but one truism beyond any doubt is that we sure don't like to pay our own way. We've used the election and legislative process to force future generations to pay for our desired level of services.
The reality is, without revenue increases, we will never get out of this hole. Rather, we will continue to pile on more debt for the younger folks as we demand more and more in services. Yet, even the mention of a tax increase sends Boomers into orbit. Collectively, us Boomers are sitting on $30+Trillion of assets that should have went to the government to pay for the services we've demanded along the way.
There are 76 Million Boomers still alive. If you divide $30 Trillion of debt among those 76 million of us Boomers, we each benefited, on average, by $394,000 that we didn't pay to cover the services we demanded from our government.
It truly is not much more complicated than that. Unless, you are part of the DC machine that lives in an alternate reality. And both sides are living in that alternate reality, just whether you're alternate reality is on the revenue side, the expense side, or both sides of the financial equation.
To think selling public lands is somehow going to solve that problem doesn't pass the "laugh out loud test."
Bedtime.
Pucky Freak
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Randy,
We have to sell public lands to fund tax cuts for multimillionaires so that they can afford to build their McMansions on the USFS land that they buy from the federal government.
#makeamericagildedagain
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