Seeking info...school trust land fee states

[BuzzH]

It must to you.

Not at all, most states make it pretty clear that state lands are not public land.

 

[Bonasababy]

Not sure exactly what we are talking about because your state isn't listed in the profile. If it is State Land Trust granted through the 1785 Land Ordinance, their purpose is to make money, for schools. How states have approached the money making aspect of this land has varied, but unfortunately there are bills to pay and people don't like taxes. In WA, one way they make money is you have to buy a state land vehicle use permit for $35 to park on State land. It comes with the hunting license when that is bought, but other users can buy it when they renew vehicle permits.

Minnesota. 2.5 MILLION acres of school trust land. Scattered around but by far the most is in the northern forested part of the state where the vast majority of state land/state forests are school trust lands.

State constitution focuses on return for education, state law says
“secure the maximum long-term economic return from the school trust lands consistent with the fiduciary responsibilities imposed by the trust relationship established in the Minnesota Constitution, with sound natural resource conservation and management principles, and with other specific policy provided in state law."

Some say the way MN has handled these lands lately ignores the "with sound natural resource conservation and management principles" section of law. Biggest buck today is sought, not even managing for long term income it's whatever returns the most today.

The thing that has changed the most is timber harvest--always been allowed but how and how much has very dramatically changed and increased. But the income from that is tiny--much more is obtained through mining, a lot more.

We are seeing issues with deer populations. Significant loss of wintering habitat for them as a result of this.

 

[SAJ-99]

Minnesota. 2.5 MILLION acres of school trust land. Scattered around but by far the most is in the northern forested part of the state where the vast majority of state land/state forests are school trust lands.

State constitution focuses on return for education, state law says
“secure the maximum long-term economic return from the school trust lands consistent with the fiduciary responsibilities imposed by the trust relationship established in the Minnesota Constitution, with sound natural resource conservation and management principles, and with other specific policy provided in state law."

Some say the way MN has handled these lands lately ignores the "with sound natural resource conservation and management principles" section of law. Biggest buck today is sought, not even managing for long term income it's whatever returns the most today.

The thing that has changed the most is timber harvest--always been allowed but how and how much has very dramatically changed and increased. But the income from that is tiny--much more is obtained through mining, a lot more.

We are seeing issues with deer populations. Significant loss of wintering habitat for them as a result of this.

It's complicated. It seems you want the lands managed to provide more deer, but that is not what the intent was. Ironically, there are probably still more WT deer in MN right now than when the pilgrims hit Plymouth Rock. That doesn't mean you don't have a point, but if I was running the office my response would be "our goal is not to maximize deer herds". They are required by law to publish the financials but the last I see is 2018-2019. If I were you I would email the person listed on the last one and ask where the updated ones are, just to let them know someone cares and is watching. And don't take "blah blah Covid" as an excuse. This could be done by someone at home.

All that said, it looks like you are 125 years too late. A reminder to those that say "No one will sell public lands!!!"

 

[Bonasababy]

Pretty sure I didn't say I wanted the lands only managed for deer! That was just one example I thought might resonate.

Truth is...anything that relies on older forests to get by is hurting. And in the future there will be less young forest too, cutting too much too fast now

 

[MTGunner]

State lands belong to the state. We as residents comprise the state. Therefore we as residents own the state lands. A modest price to recreate on state lands is fine. As long as the funds are used for their intended purpose. MTG

 

[J_Woulfe]

If you have to pay a fee to access it, or can’t access it at all, you don’t own it. It is not public land.

Every state I've hunted in requires an extra stamp on your hunting tag if you plan on hunting on public land. We all gotta pitch in for the management of these lands.i don't think that means they aren't public.

 

[ismith]

Every state I've hunted in requires an extra stamp on your hunting tag if you plan on hunting on public land. We all gotta pitch in for the management of these lands.i don't think that means they aren't public.

So, you pay a trespass fee, does that make it public ground?

 

[BuzzH]

So, you pay a trespass fee, does that make it public ground?

No, state lands use permit.

 

[BuzzH]

Every state I've hunted in requires an extra stamp on your hunting tag if you plan on hunting on public land. We all gotta pitch in for the management of these lands.i don't think that means they aren't public.

Not required in Wyoming.

 

[ismith]

No, state lands use permit.

Don’t make me quote you saying State lands aren’t public lands. If I was Tim she he I would sell stamps that permit people to access my land for hunting, for, let’s say, $12,000.

 

[BuzzH]

Don’t make me quote you saying State lands aren’t public lands. If I was Tim she he I would sell stamps that permit people to access my land for hunting, for, let’s say, $12,000.

Never said different, they aren't public land. Also, it's called a state lands use permit, .

 

[ismith]

Never said different, they aren't public land. Also, it's called a state lands use permit, .

So, a private lands use permit, got it.

 

[BuzzH]

So, a private lands use permit, got it.

Do you happen to have a 3rd grader with some crayons around that could explain this to you?

 

[ismith]

Do you happen to have a 3rd grader with some crayons around that could explain this to you?

No, but no worries, if I wanted a wrong answer again I’d ask you.