Ryan Busse is a coward

[CRJR45]

Serious question, say Busse invited you over for dinner would you be willing to let him change your mind? You get to say your piece but you actually have to listen to his.

I find the Busse topic interesting because I think it highlights how intractable our current politics are, personally as a millennial I’m tired of a bunch of boomers who made up their minds 20 years ago just slugging it out year after year, FFS at what point can we try to find solutions to literally any topic.

Whenever a “liberal” non gun owner proposes anything our side mocks them for their lack of knowledge “that’s a magazine not a clip you idiot” and then writes off whatever they say. Then when someone like Busse or Zumbo has an opinion the narrative becomes betrayal or that they are just after money. Couldn’t possibly be that they know a lot about guns and just have a different sincere opinion.

Don’t get me wrong the other side does the same crap, you own a AR and your automatically part of the klan.

School shootings have been part of reality for me my entire life, I’m the generation that did active shooter drills in middle school.

I support the 2A but I’m open to the conversation.

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results .


I too would support any rational change to background checks , credible red flag laws and better mental health laws , BUT , I have yet to see anything proposed that would actually make a impact . Targeting "assault" rifles is just stupid , and the left can't seem to see that .
But I get your point .

 

[Deleted member 28227]

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results .


I too would support any rational change to background checks , credible red flag laws and better mental health laws , BUT , I have yet to see anything proposed that would actually make a impact . Targeting "assault" rifles is just stupid , and the left can't seem to see that .
But I get your point .

I agree on the face of it that limiting the capacity or banning essentially a few types of cosmetic features is ridiculous.

I find Busse’s point about the change in marketing of the gun industry interesting…

I mean all my grandparents era of Republicans were against assault weapons. Reagan was pretty specific about it (his views pretty much mirrored Busse), Bush presidents supported the assault weapon ban etc. So there has been a pivot point that against assault weapons was anti 2A that wasn’t always the conservative perspective.

User Clip: 1989 Reagan condemns Assault Weapons

In a post-presidential address at USC, Reagan says AK-47s are not necessary for self-defense or sporting. (41:40 - 43:35)

www.c-span.org

In the last 10 years shooting ranges have seen the impact of taticool, there are about a half a dozen threads on here about public ranges and public land shooting getting stupid, and it’s never dudes shooting 700s.

Mass shootings have sky rocketed.

There certainly seems to be a correlation between gun companies switching their marketing and these issues.

I don’t know how you put that genie back in the bottle.

 

[Straight Arrow]

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results .


I too would support any rational change to background checks , credible red flag laws and better mental health laws , BUT , I have yet to see anything proposed that would actually make a impact . Targeting "assault" rifles is just stupid , and the left can't seem to see that .
But I get your point .

I agree. However, as someone who has shot, owned, and valued firearms for seventy years, spent over thirty years wearing the US Army green uniform firing everything from a 38 cal pistol to the main gun of an M-1 Abrams tank, and as a Vietnam vet ... I have a firm bias regarding "assault" rifles. Banning them is impractical and contrary to 2A, however it would be a postive step not only for safety sake but also politically, to impose some reasonable restrictions. Specifically, I personally see no reason to brandish an assault rifle during a parade, demonstration, or other large public event. This may rankle feathers of black rifle owners and hunters who use them, but I would like to see those type of military-use designed firearms secured at a certified firing range, to be checked out and fired under appropriate strict firing range conditions, whether competitively or just for fun.

It's the public display and brandishing of these weapons in a perceived threatening manner that is creating the real opposition, plus of course the incidents of use in mass shootings. Wannabe military groups such as the Proud Boys do no favors to us respectful, safety conscious, public perception conscious gun owners.

Let's get real and do something ... instead of merely bowing our necks and stomping our feet at the line in the sand!

 

[Cogreeny]

I agree. However, as someone who has shot, owned, and valued firearms for seventy years, spent over thirty years wearing the US Army green uniform firing everything from a 38 cal pistol to the main gun of an M-1 Abrams tank, and as a Vietnam vet ... I have a firm bias regarding "assault" rifles. Banning them is impractical and contrary to 2A, however it would be a postive step not only for safety sake but also politically, to impose some reasonable restrictions. Specifically, I personally see no reason to brandish an assault rifle during a parade, demonstration, or other large public event. This may rankle feathers of black rifle owners and hunters who use them, but I would like to see those type of military-use designed firearms secured at a certified firing range, to be checked out and fired under appropriate strict firing range conditions, whether competitively or just for fun.

It's the public display and brandishing of these weapons in a perceived threatening manner that is creating the real opposition, plus of course the incidents of use in mass shootings. Wannabe military groups such as the Proud Boys do no favors to us respectful, safety conscious, public perception conscious gun owners.

Let's get real and do something ... instead of merely bowing our necks and stomping our feet at the line in the sand!

Disagree. Wait a minute 8 non english speaking house robbers while I go ask the gun range for permission to check out my gun to defend my house. Yes there were 8 and they were bad hombres. How about enforce the laws we have first? Another feel good law on the books is BS. Brandishing them in public places is dumb I agree with that.

 

[Shangobango]

I had to google Ryan Busse…but I basically live under a rock so…

 

[hossblur]

The definition of insanity is to do the same thing and expect different results .


I too would support any rational change to background checks , credible red flag laws and better mental health laws , BUT , I have yet to see anything proposed that would actually make a impact . Targeting "assault" rifles is just stupid , and the left can't seem to see that .
But I get your point .

Interesting that you chose "the klan".

Ever read Ryans interviews. He cites the racism of us gun nuts for Obama as the reason for explosive AR sells. Nevermind Obama calling for a ban, as he ran against Hillary who is married to a guy who enacted a ban.

I own an AR 11yrs ago. Bought it, ran maybe 100 rounds through it. Sits in my safe, same as countless other guns I "had" to have. Haven't been an NRA member since the early 90's.

My issue isn't honest brokers having conversations in the aim to solve a problem. My issue is grifters.

Ryan claims he saw the "radicalization" and fear mongering after Combine.

For those without a calenders, that was 1999. It bothered him so bad, he sold guns for another 21 years. He was so disgusted by the racists in 2007, he sold them guns for another 13 years.

Not exactly a principled stand. In fact, as he says it, his wife shamed him.

So yes. I'd gladly sit and talk. But that conversation is gonna include real uncomfortable subjects like how much he makes taking "his stand".

Call me what you will, but I'm more than suspicious of someone who sells you the poison and the cure.

The NRA did not force him to sell a single gun. He chose to. For 25 years he "sold more .45 1911's than John Browning", yet, now, for some coin, he'll point the finger at the hicks, the nutjobs, the racists.

Far as I know Jim Zumbo didn't pay his mortgage being against AR's.

 

[Straight Arrow]

Disagree. Wait a minute 8 non english speaking house robbers while I go ask the gun range for permission to check out my gun to defend my house.

There you go ... stomping feet at the line in the sand ... while totally ignoring the 12 gauge shotgun and the Smith & Wesson 38 you have in your closet.

 

[Cogreeny]

There you go ... stomping feet at the line in the sand ... while totally ignoring the 12 gauge shotgun and the Smith & Wesson 38 you have in your closet.

What I chose to point at 8 assholes is my business not yours and my shotgun holds 6 not 30 in the event I needed them. S&W holds 6. I only have a high school diploma but I can do math if these folks decided they wanted to do harm I wanted overwhelming firepower. 1 vs. 8? Cmon man get real. Little kids and my wife in the house. If you wouldn’t take the AR I would call you dishonest.

 

[hossblur]

I agree on the face of it that limiting the capacity or banning essentially a few types of cosmetic features is ridiculous.

I find Busse’s point about the change in marketing of the gun industry interesting…

I mean all my grandparents era of Republicans were against assault weapons. Reagan was pretty specific about it (his views pretty much mirrored Busse), Bush presidents supported the assault weapon ban etc. So there has been a pivot point that against assault weapons was anti 2A that wasn’t always the conservative perspective.

User Clip: 1989 Reagan condemns Assault Weapons

In a post-presidential address at USC, Reagan says AK-47s are not necessary for self-defense or sporting. (41:40 - 43:35)

www.c-span.org

In the last 10 years shooting ranges have seen the impact of taticool, there are about a half a dozen threads on here about public ranges and public land shooting getting stupid, and it’s never dudes shooting 700s.

Mass shootings have sky rocketed.

There certainly seems to be a correlation between gun companies switching their marketing and these issues.

I don’t know how you put that genie back in the bottle.

"I do believe an AK-47, a machine gun, is not a sporting rifle"

I agree on the tacticool. But then I also go to the range wearing my Sitka, kenetreks, in my Jeep with a 12,000lb winch, complete with strapped on gas cans, water cans, 3 light bars, and BFG mud tires.

I now own a British .303 complete with detachable mag and bayonet mount. My grandpa, like most others in his generation has zero issues with owning assault rifles, be they Springfield or enfield

 

[hossblur]

There you go ... stomping feet at the line in the sand ... while totally ignoring the 12 gauge shotgun and the Smith & Wesson 38 you have in your closet.

Read BUSSE thoughts on that 12 guage

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Interesting that you chose "the klan".

Ever read Ryans interviews. He cites the racism of us gun nuts for Obama as the reason for explosive AR sells. Nevermind Obama calling for a ban, as he ran against Hillary who is married to a guy who enacted a ban.

I own an AR 11yrs ago. Bought it, ran maybe 100 rounds through it. Sits in my safe, same as countless other guns I "had" to have. Haven't been an NRA member since the early 90's.

My issue isn't honest brokers having conversations in the aim to solve a problem. My issue is grifters.

Ryan claims he saw the "radicalization" and fear mongering after Combine.

For those without a calenders, that was 1999. It bothered him so bad, he sold guns for another 21 years. He was so disgusted by the racists in 2007, he sold them guns for another 13 years.

Not exactly a principled stand. In fact, as he says it, his wife shamed him.

So yes. I'd gladly sit and talk. But that conversation is gonna include real uncomfortable subjects like how much he makes taking "his stand".

Call me what you will, but I'm more than suspicious of someone who sells you the poison and the cure.

The NRA did not force him to sell a single gun. He chose to. For 25 years he "sold more .45 1911's than John Browning", yet, now, for some coin, he'll point the finger at the hicks, the nutjobs, the racists.

Far as I know Jim Zumbo didn't pay his mortgage being against AR's.

As merchant of death adjacent maybe I’m just more sympathetic to his plight

 

[Deleted member 28227]

I now own a British .303 complete with detachable mag and bayonet mount. My grandpa, like most others in his generation has zero issues with owning assault rifles, be they Springfield or enfield

Which is a disingenuous point as neither are an assault weapon. My grandfather was at Okinawa owned a model 12… never found a grease or Tommy gun amongst his collection.

 

[Straight Arrow]

What I chose to point at 8 assholes is my business not yours and my shotgun holds 6 not 30 in the event I needed them. S&W holds 6. I only have a high school diploma but I can do math if these folks decided they wanted to do harm I wanted overwhelming firepower. 1 vs. 8? Cmon man get real. Little kids and my wife in the house. If you wouldn’t take the AR I would call you dishonest.

There it is again. Extremely and absurdly another contrived irrational example presented as a valid argument. God bless the USA, where we may opti to open or close our minds to reality and the commensurate reasonable opinions.

 

[Straight Arrow]

Read BUSSE thoughts on that 12 guage

MEH.

 

[mtmuley]

Which is a disingenuous point as neither are an assault weapon. My grandfather was at Okinawa owned a model 12… never found a grease or Tommy gun amongst his collection.

What defines the term "assault weapon"? mtmuley

 

[Cogreeny]

There it is again. Extremely and absurdly another contrived irrational example presented as a valid argument. God bless the USA, where we may opti to open or close our minds to reality and the commensurate reasonable opinions.

Whatever man you lock your stuff up at the range. I’ll have mine on hand we’re all happy. Have a good day.

 

[BuzzH]

I think what the left needs to do is stop arguing about the 2nd, let people own what they want, it's a constitutional right.

What I would do is shove this right back on the right, put the ball in their lap. Ask them why they aren't funding mental health every time some wingnut shoots up a school, a business, a work place, a church, etc. I would bring it up after every mass shooting and rake any politician over the coals that was opposed to funding mental health, every single time.

I think there may be answers to some of the problem through proper and fully funded mental health care. It's really one of the few options to talk about that isn't an infringement of rights.

 

[slatebuilder]

Legislation against fire arms is a knee jerk reaction against a symptom of a much larger problem.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

What defines the term "assault weapon"? mtmuley

Any gun that would make Laura Bush clutch her pearls

 

[Straight Arrow]

Whatever man you lock your stuff up at the range. I’ll have mine on hand we’re all happy. Have a good day.

Thank-you very much. You also have a good day exercising your right to employ your assault weapons in whatever lawful, safe, and respectful way you so choose.

BTW, all I own are traditional hunting firearms, none of which were acquired to be pointed at "8 assholes" or any other persons for that matter.