Ryan Busse. Anyone?

[RobG]

Looks like the wife was the driving force in his change.

Behind closed doors, Busse was starting to question some of the political positions he’d accepted all his life. His wife Sara, who came from a Kansas hunting family, challenged Busse to think deeply about whether the Republican party really stood for his values. “With every school shooting, things became more and more fraught,” she told The Trace. When two teenagers killed a dozen of their classmates at Columbine, Sara called her husband at work to ask if he felt complicit in the tragedy. Whispering into the phone, Busse protested that Kimber rifles were usually too expensive to be used as crime guns. But Sara balked. “That’s what you have to say for yourself?” Busse remembers her asking. “That they didn’t use your guns?”

“She was asking me some pretty hard questions, and I didn’t have awesome answers for her,” he said. “And that sort of started the evolution and opened my eyes.”

I agree, but I'm not sure why her helping him see how radical groups like the NRA had become is a reason to discount why he changed his position. We all need to have someone challenge our beliefs.

 

[The Hedgehog]

I haven’t been following but thought I’d drop a pic..

 

[3855WIN]

I don't think you understand my concern. It's not "excess", it's more aptly described as nonsense.

Nonsense to one is the pursuit of happiness to another.
I’ve been watching monster side by sides being trailered up the interstate all morning. Nonsense to me, but it’s America and the owners are free to enjoy their monster rigs.

 

[BigHornRam]

If your wife isn't influencing your attitudes and thinking ... then "you're not listening"!

My wife is to the right of me. Sometimes I have to tell her to settle down and stop letting emotion overrule logic.

 

[Straight Arrow]

Nonsense to one is the pursuit of happiness to another.
I’ve been watching monster side by sides being trailered up the interstate all morning. Nonsense to me, but it’s America and the owners are free to enjoy their monster rigs.

I don't disagree. But twist and turn my expressions and apply your own logic ... however, it does not change my meaning, so just stop!

 

[TheJason]

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[3855WIN]

When his wife linked his involvement in the gun industry to school shootings, it would’ve been a good time to link school shootings to poor parenting.
A 15 year old stuck a pistol to the head of a young local kid while they were trick or treating this past fall. Was that the fault of the gun industry? Advertising?

 

[3855WIN]

I don't disagree. But twist and turn my expressions and apply your own logic ... however, it does not change my meaning, so just stop!

I have no interest in ARs, pistols, or protest. Like you, some of it makes me a bit uncomfortable. But I value freedom over my own discomfort in situations.

 

[hossblur]

Looks like the wife was the driving force in his change.

Behind closed doors, Busse was starting to question some of the political positions he’d accepted all his life. His wife Sara, who came from a Kansas hunting family, challenged Busse to think deeply about whether the Republican party really stood for his values. “With every school shooting, things became more and more fraught,” she told The Trace. When two teenagers killed a dozen of their classmates at Columbine, Sara called her husband at work to ask if he felt complicit in the tragedy. Whispering into the phone, Busse protested that Kimber rifles were usually too expensive to be used as crime guns. But Sara balked. “That’s what you have to say for yourself?” Busse remembers her asking. “That they didn’t use your guns?”

“She was asking me some pretty hard questions, and I didn’t have awesome answers for her,” he said. “And that sort of started the evolution and opened my eyes.”

When that BLM supporter ran down the folks in Milwaukee, do you think the car salesman's wife called him to ask if he felt complicit?

I'd argue, that groups like Gifford's, have created that narrative. That a piece of plastic and steel, is the culprit. Not the parents, not the school, not the media, not the "system"

It's the tool.

Further. Everyone forgot, they also made propane bombs, that luckily failed.

So would the propane salesman then been responsible had they not?

 

[brocksw]

Doesn't seem like this book has anything that juicy in it. Nothing earth shattering that ive heard. We already know the NRA is corrupt. We already know Lapierre is a weasel. We already know the 2a is an extremely volatile subject on the sociopolitical landscape. Whats in this book that's new? Something that we don't know?

 

[hossblur]

When his wife linked his involvement in the gun industry to school shootings, it would’ve been a good time to link school shootings to poor parenting.
A 15 year old stuck a pistol to the head of a young local kid while they were trick or treating this past fall. Was that the fault of the gun industry? Advertising?

Are you implying you haven't seen the NRA advertising on the proper use of AR being school shootings?

 

[hossblur]

Doesn't seem like this book has anything that juicy in it. Nothing earth shattering that ive heard. We already know the NRA is corrupt. We already know Lapierre is a weasel. We already know the 2a is an extremely volatile subject on the sociopolitical landscape. Whats in this book that's new? Something that we don't know?

Not much apparently.

Guys been doing things for women since time began.

Disco, for instance.

 

[Straight Arrow]

My wife is to the right of me. Sometimes I have to tell her to settle down and stop letting emotion overrule logic.

BHR, I don't doubt that you also offer her the link to some solid information and data to support the logic.

My wife and I have this oft expressed shared saying, which applies to discussions such as this where there are so many points of view and mutual misunderstandings. In this case the contrast between what is argued as an act of expression of the 2nd Amendment and the point that it is just bad behavior having little to do with Constitutional rights, which by the way, come with civic responsibilities and respect for others. The saying is, "You can't apply logic where logic does not exist!"

 

[Straight Arrow]

Disco, for instance.

Obviously, you have never met "Vinny" Travolta!

 

[hossblur]

True but not relevant to this issue. This issue focuses on more recent ramping up of advertising and widespread promotion of such firearms, changing the public landscape.

What has really changed is the display of wannabe military garb and toting of these firearms at rallies, parades, and other public gatherings where citizens are intimidated, angered (as are veterans such as myself), and subsequently motivated to "fall off the fence" and be more inclined to support gun control measures. The irony is that these wannabe-warrior gun toting knot heads are unknowingly creating gun control supporters and in armed bliss are potentially motivating certain authorities to push for regulations, laws, policies in opposition to the gun-toters' vest pocket Constitutional perspective of their "rights".

On a side tangent.

My son, for his B day, and from me fulfilling a traditional of a nice rifle in the 16th b day, wanted a Browning X bolt wood stocked Medallion.

I live 20 min from Browning head quarters.

Took most of a day, and finally finding one in Minnesota, to get it.

Could have had 200 hells canyons, or synthetic stocked x bolts.

Is that because the "industry" markets and advertises plastic stocks, and not wood, or because the consumer wants synthetic and not wood?

I think the tactical dress stuff is stupid.

But I also think dudes wearing $3000 sitka outfits, and $600 mountaineering boots is stupid.

Doesn't mean we should ban Sitka

 

[hossblur]

Obviously, you have never met "Vinny" Travolta!

Own the urban cowboy tape, I know his allure

 

[RobG]

Here are a couple pages from his book so you can see how he talks about the subject. I found it quite interesting although he occasionally dives into topics that might be difficult for some to read because they are so charged (eg schools shootings, BLM, etc).

 

[BigHornRam]

BHR, I don't doubt that you also offer her the link to some solid information and data to support the logic.
The saying is, "You can't apply logic where logic does not exist!"

My wife works for the Federal Government ( Collins and Fauci). Next time she comes home complaining about it, I'm using your line SA!

 

[RobG]

I would post the “Clenched Fist of Truth” video that exemplifies the radicalization of the NRA, but I can’t find it. Busse claims the NRA has changed into a political organization that uses these types of tactics that create divisions and radicalize our society.

Another example he brought up is how the NRA twisted the tragedy of the school shootings into a claim that the problem is that there aren’t enough guns. Gun sales skyrocketed, based on fear of gun control.

These types of strategies created the part of the gun culture where armed people show up at rallies to intimidate the participants.

Now a growing number of people think and armed conflict will be needed to save America from the liberal communist agenda fueled by voter fraud, etc. we aren’t heading in a safe direction.

 

[3855WIN]

I would post the “Clenched Fist of Truth” video that exemplifies the radicalization of the NRA, but I can’t find it. Busse claims the NRA has changed into a political organization that uses these types of tactics that create divisions and radicalize our society.

Another example he brought up is how the NRA twisted the tragedy of the school shootings into a claim that the problem is that there aren’t enough guns. Gun sales skyrocketed, based on fear of gun control.

These types of strategies created the part of the gun culture where armed people show up at rallies to intimidate the participants.

Now a growing number of people think and armed conflict will be needed to save America from the liberal communist agenda fueled by voter fraud, etc. we aren’t heading in a safe direction.

I would post the “Clenched Fist of Truth” video that exemplifies the radicalization of the NRA, but I can’t find it. Busse claims the NRA has changed into a political organization that uses these types of tactics that create divisions and radicalize our society.

Another example he brought up is how the NRA twisted the tragedy of the school shootings into a claim that the problem is that there aren’t enough guns. Gun sales skyrocketed, based on fear of gun control.

These types of strategies created the part of the gun culture where armed people show up at rallies to intimidate the participants.

Now a growing number of people think and armed conflict will be needed to save America from the liberal communist agenda fueled by voter fraud, etc. we aren’t heading in a safe direction.

Why would anyone think an armed conflict might be needed?

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