Relax, Everything is Going to be Okay!

[NDGuy]

That Constitution. Such an impediment to true progress, for almost 250yrs.

They sure seem to think so as they have been wiping their ass with it lately

 

[Borny1]

I retired from one of the largest O&G companies in the world. The one beginning with the letter E. Every "layoff" that ever occurred during my career, the terminations were far from indiscriminate. Even your post betrays your assertion. You write that the terminations were targeted at the least tenured and the longest tenured employees. That, to me, is a discriminate layoff.

One of many advantages of remaining a wage employee, was that the company could not terminate a long term employee, without just cause. During my 28 years, there was no layoff that included any wage employees. Most often the layoffs were a carrot and a stick approach. They would offer a window of time, where if you left the company, you received a monetary payment, above and beyond, what you earned with your work. If that did not trim staff, sufficiently, they terminated employees at their discretion. Most companies grant some sort of severance, when they "layoff" employees. I guess, they recognize some obligation, when you end someone's employment, with such short notice.

At no time do I remember the company gleefully dancing with a chain saw during their downsizing periods. That is one of the more repugnant visuals, to date, of the new administration.

Good point. If you are lucky enough to be union which is the large majority of employees, you get a carrot. If you're a sucker like me and salaried though, you get the stick.

 

[Sytes]

Politics summed up in one Costanza moment:

 

[bullbugle]

Several months?

FMLA. You can do it too.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Control the messaging. First step in an authoritarian government.

@Bonasababy It could be just a coincidence that CNN has let go more than 200 employees and MSNBC has let go of about 100 employees less than 2 weeks after USAID was de-funded. Or it could be that tax dollars were being used to subsidize their news networks and control the messaging. I dont know?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but messaging has been studied to death and the powers that run the news have been trying to control the public to an extent for decades. You know what the strongest messaging is to get your sheep lined up? The message of fear. Take this shot or you'll die!! There is nothing new under the sun here except a lot of the stuff that happened behind closed doors is being done in the open now. Right or wrong thats for each individual to decide and to vote accordingly and write their legislative leaders with their favor or displeasure. I disagree with the press thing that currently is going on and think it's part of Trump just acting like a child and taking revenge on them more than anything, but trying to control the messaging is not new or unprecedented in the least.

But like 90% of this thread this has nothing to do with the actual OP. I'm back out of here for now.

 

[MTGomer]

I could have guessed as much.

The refinery where I worked was chocked full of good employees. When it is common knowledge that an employer pays really well, with good benefits, yada, yada, they get many dozens of people applying for any opening.

Workers can sense disrespect amazingly well, be it, a supervisor or employer. When they sense it, they return it in kind.

Sorry you can't find good help.

I’ll pay a survey crew chief that can work independently, show up on time, sober, work hard and communicate like an adult $40/hr
He doesn’t have to report to an office, there’s no boss looking over his shoulder, give him an almost new truck to take home, 401k, insurance, PTO etc
This is a six figure job with a little OT


The engineer I share an office with pays very well, allows remote work and needs a civil engineer that is skilled in grading/drainage and stormwater modeling.


This is in AZ. We both struggle to staff positions like this, likely due to being in a resort/retirement community.(havasu)

Here in Absarokee, MT, I couldn’t find someone to paint my house.
And I don’t mean someone that I could afford. I mean nobody would agree to drive from Billings or Bozeman or even Columbus to do it. We finally did it ourselves.
In Worden/Huntley MT last summer the irrigators were all hispanics.
When I was in high school, not that long ago, that was what my friends and I did.
Now farmers have to import people to do it.

Positions that are hard, especially if they are hard physically and involve having a brain can be very tough to fill.

 

[Bonasababy]

I’ll pay a survey crew chief that can work independently, show up on time, sober, work hard and communicate like an adult $40/hr
He doesn’t have to report to an office, there’s no boss looking over his shoulder, give him an almost new truck to take home, 401k, insurance, PTO etc
This is a six figure job with a little OT


The engineer I share an office with pays very well, allows remote work and needs a civil engineer that is skilled in grading/drainage and stormwater modeling.


This is in AZ. We both struggle to staff positions like this, likely due to being in a resort/retirement community.(havasu)

Here in Absarokee, MT, I couldn’t find someone to paint my house.
And I don’t mean someone that I could afford. I mean nobody would agree to drive from Billings or Bozeman or even Columbus to do it. We finally did it ourselves.
In Worden/Huntley MT last summer the irrigators were all hispanics.
When I was in high school, not that long ago, that was what my friends and I did.
Now farmers have to import people to do it.

Positions that are hard, especially if they are hard physically and involve having a brain can be very tough to fill.

Can't project your life long ago to today. Kids who want to work today have options to make more money than they can in irrigation.

FAR FAR different money available for kids today than your childhood and probably mine too.

This idea of lazy kids today not being willing to work is sure not supported by unemployment numbers! Well I should say it hasn't--that could change as everything being done is going to kill businesses as the economy goes in the tank.

Which illustrates another irony--we need immigrants to work jobs like irrigation, like picking and processing our crops and meat, and more.

But they have every intent to grab them and kick them out of the country--at great expense to us taxpayers, I might add.

Not convinced they can export as much of the labor we need from immigrants as they say they will, but it will sure make food prices worse if they do!