Relax, Everything is Going to be Okay!

[BuzzH]

As do opposition parties. There is no way Team D would have allowed a measured approach to workforce reduction.

Is that right?

Maybe you don't remember the Clinton years, only they did it with a scalpel and with legal methods...and the 8 year plan instead of the 8 day approach.

 

[cgasner1]

I have. NW MT USFS got hit hard. I know friends that got terminated, friends that still have jobs but no crews, and I interviewed a guy today that worked seasonally for 13 years, got hired permanently last year and was a couple months from ending his probation and got the axe.

That’s why the OP’s blanket message that losing 10% is fine, move on is not a one size fits all, as you referenced for your local district.

Some folks will really notice the losses some won’t.

Sorry if I don’t believe a thing I read in a article anymore from either side I 100% agree that is a bad deal for the forest service

 

[Justabirdwatcher]

Is that right?

Maybe you don't remember the Clinton years, only they did it with a scalpel and with legal methods...and the 8 year plan instead of the 8 day approach.

Another inconvenient truth.

 

[Bonasababy]

Heard from one of nephews and niece today...He's an air traffic controller. She's an MD specializing in infectious diseases for the CDC .

Both got the memo to justify their jobs today...so much for air traffic controllers being exempt I guess.

 

[INMT]

Sorry if I don’t believe a thing I read in a article anymore from either side I 100% agree that is a bad deal for the forest service

Understandable. I’ve been involved with the trail maintenance/building world, public and private sector for over 20 years. I’m protective of my occupation and coworkers because we are some of the hardest working, skilled folks I know.

I admit I got worked up on earlier threads, trying to back off as of late.

 

[Straight Arrow]

Where was that morality for the ambler's, when they were actually threatened with losing their land and more at HuntTalkQuietly™ begging?

Blatantly FALSE! No one, not even Flathead Conservation District, was threatening Ambler's property ownership or interested in Amblers "losing their land". The morality was and is in advocating for accountability and a solution for clear violation of the Natural Streambed and Land Preservation Act. Concern was for a treasured Montana pristine McDonald Creek stream which unfortunately runs a relatively short distance through a private inholding within federal public lands and thus through what any rational person would conclude (including the judge) is a quirk "loophole" in the law which has allowed this violation with no oversight by responsible authority.

Please, in your extensive superfluous keyboard ramblings on and on and on ... keep your points truthful. A false premise negates the otherwise valid point you may proffer.

 

[Irrelevant]

How have you handled these issues in your massive companies?

Seems to me some pretty big players in the business world have come aboard and praising what is happening.

They're praising either the #winning or just sucking [up].

Those actual businesses, Tesla included, allows managers to manage. Assigns responsibility to individual teams to work towards their goals.

If the Orange Emperor had told the FS, reduce staffing costs by 10%, and given them 6 months to make it happen. Then allowed the people who actually know what the FS does to implement his goal, that would have been "efficient". But that doesn't fire up the base, that isn't #winning. And success isn't what he's after, just more #winning

 

[Gulf of America]

Next........

 

[Buffs35]

I live in the real world, with real things happening, with real money, real property rights, real laws. Not theoretical applications.

I was definitely getting these vibes when I read this.

 

[trackerbacker]

They're praising either the #winning or just sucking [up].

Those actual businesses, Tesla included, allows managers to manage. Assigns responsibility to individual teams to work towards their goals.

If the Orange Emperor had told the FS, reduce staffing costs by 10%, and given them 6 months to make it happen. Then allowed the people who actually know what the FS does to implement his goal, that would have been "efficient". But that doesn't fire up the base, that isn't #winning. And success isn't what he's after, just more #winning

Would they?

What leads you to believe they would have effectively proposed a plan of reduction in 6 months, FS or otherwise? That they or other interest groups wouldn't fight it a minute longer than 6 months? Because that's exactly what would've occured, a delay, not a reduction.

Who provides the edicts to the managers to manage?

There is a reason most c-suites are insulated from the lower rungs. To provide the edicts, unemotionally invested and removed, to focus on the goal. The managers are paid to manage the EQ (emotional quotient) not the EBITDA.

 

[BuzzH]

OSC may have something to say...

Oversight agency finds Trump’s federal worker firings unlawful, asks for some employees to be reinstated

The findings could have sweeping impacts for the tens of thousands of recently dismissed workers.

www.govexec.com

 

[INMT]

OSC may have something to say...

Oversight agency finds Trump’s federal worker firings unlawful, asks for some employees to be reinstated

The findings could have sweeping impacts for the tens of thousands of recently dismissed workers.

www.govexec.com

The chainsaw served the tax payers well. #savings

 

[Gulf of America]

Can someone explain the outrage in being asked to write down what you did last week?

How much time do you have?

For starters, every federal employee was given one working day to respond. You’re on vacation? Fired. Hospitalized or out sick? Fired. Work a field job in a remote location without access to email? Fired. On maternity leave? Fired. Do classified work and don’t feel comfortable responding to a random out-of-the-blue email? Fired.

If I got that email and it wasn’t from my manager or some named supervisor, I’d be hitting “report phish” because that’s exactly what it sounds like.

And if you think they’re going to consider all the nuanced situations for non-response like I listed for all 3 million federal employees individually, you haven’t been paying attention.

Furthermore, who gets to decide whether the 5 bullet points are worthy of keeping your job? It’s shadow government BS and I thought that’s what the right didn’t like.

 

[Borny1]

I have survived the DOGE experience at least three times in the private sector. It sucks, but it needs to happen when times are tough. It also helps identify the key and not so key roles. Why should government jobs be any different?

 

[BuzzH]

I have survived the DOGE experience at least three times in the private sector. It sucks, but it needs to happen when times are tough. It also helps identify the key and not so key roles. Why should government jobs be any different?

Because key jobs weren't identified, not so key jobs either.

The criteria was probationary employees...that's it.

Zero thought...

 

[Wildabeest]

I don’t work for .gov, but if I did, this would be my response to 5 things I did last week:

• Checked on recently fired associates to make sure they were ok
• Updated my resume
• Updated my LinkedIn profile
• Everything else I did is classified
• If I told you I’d have to kill you because we all know Elon Musk isn’t qualified to have a security clearance

 

[Sytes]

Where was that morality for the ambler's, when they were actually threatened with losing their land and more at HuntTalkQuietly™ begging?

And now you want help?

And now you plead for morality and civility?

Am I reading that correctly?

Heh, I reviewed each of my 14 posts and this one stuck out.

I disagreed and showed I am NOT a fan with their decision to build a massive eye sore on a fantastic river through our Glacier National Park.
I've share opinions regarding politicians, example: One supported one aspect of our public lands only to spin their position a different direction. I vote for the guy each occasion (yes, contrary to those who don't vote for him) Steve Daines, regarding our BCSA. I sure as heck was not happy with that, "Clown" move.

Now yourself, with 26 posts... You've a few doozies within. No worries your opinion prevailed with the ruling. Cool. I'm bummed at the eye sore that turned victorious.

But hey man. That's like, just my opinion, man.

Cheers, best to ya! Look forward to future discussions with you and everyone else here. You will find, we all frequently disagree. The mannerisms can run us astray. More often than not, due to the personal attacks by people unable to control other people's opinions.

 

[Oak]

I don’t work for .gov, but if I did, this would be my response to 5 things I did last week:

• Checked on recently fired associates to make sure they were ok
• Updated my resume
• Updated my LinkedIn profile
• Everything else I did is classified
• If I told you I’d have to kill you because we all know Elon Musk isn’t qualified to have a security clearance

1. I drank a whiskey drink.
2. I drank a vodka drink.
3. I drank a lager drink.
4. I drank a cider drink.
5. I sang the songs that remind me of the good times; I sang the songs that remind me of the better times.

 

[WesternCO68]

I have survived the DOGE experience at least three times in the private sector. It sucks, but it needs to happen when times are tough. It also helps identify the key and not so key roles. Why should government jobs be any different?

I get what you're saying, and I don't like seeing fellow federal employees begging for sympathy. But at the same time, I don't get the idea that "because this bad thing happened to me, it should happen to other people too." Not saying that's what you're getting at, but I'm seeing that in other places.

I don't think most people think that it should be impossible to lay off federal employees. Reductions in force happen often enough and there's no guarantee that anyone won't be affected. This DOGE experience is striking for its indiscriminate nature and how Musk is being deliberately antagonistic and disrespectful.

 

[TheTone]

1. I drank a whiskey drink.
2. I drank a vodka drink.
3. I drank a lager drink.
4. I drank a cider drink.
5. I sang the songs that remind me of the good times; I sang the songs that remind me of the better times.

Maybe the most appropriate use of that song ever