Question for the Bush Basher's

[BigHornyRam]

1 pointer,

The cogeneration plant is being installed at the lumber mill to produce electricity, and steam for the lumber kilns. It will be fired by sawdust, coal, and if the economics are there hog fuel (ground up slash and thinned trees). Its a good project, but still has small amout of opposition. It will produces some emmissions, but nothing compared to burning slash piles and the occassional wildfire.

W. H.,

My point wasn't who is better or worse. It was that we all consume, and that it has to come from somewhere. You ought to find out where your electricity comes from. Could be a cold winter and hot summer if they take out those dams on the Columbia.

Ithaca,

You are so far left that you are not even relevent anymore. Enjoy you life in your little bubble.

Paul

 

[dgibson]

I know only a little about the national power grid, but I can tell you that any of you who think that your power comes strictly from the nearest generator plant is mistaken. Power is bought and sold across the country just like cattle, stocks, and automobiles. That's what all of those big "high tension" wires running hither and yon are for. The generators literally have a big honkin' power meter on their feeds to various grids to make sure the customer only gets what they're paying for. That's not to say that your power doesn't primarily come from the local dam, but it's just not as simple as that. If WH's Columbia River dams are removed, he'll never miss a kilowatt...it will just come from California, or Nevada, or somewhere else.

 

[Washington Hunter]

I don't believe I've ever heard any talk about removal of dams on the Columbia River. But I wouldn't doubt if it has been talked about at one time or another. But lately all I've heard is removal of the Snake River dams, and apparently those dams produce very little electricity. And Paul, if cheap electricity wasn't an option, I would be burning wood also.

 

[Washington Hunter]

dgibson, I really doubt if any of my electricity would ever come from anywhere but this state, especially California and Nevada. From what I hear, the dams here produce a surplus of electricity and a lot of it goes to California, and probably Nevada too. And I suppose Arizona gets a good share of it in the summer when they've all got the A/C cranked up.

 

[danr55]

WH, You need to stop thinking about your electricity as a local commodity. Think about it as gasoline or water. Commodities that will be sold on the best market. You can bet that if your local power generating companies can get $.03 more per KwHour in Arizona than they can in Washington, then the majority of thier power is sold to Arizona and they buy power from somewhere like Tennesse, Kentucky, or Pennsylvania. Those three states, by the way, were selling power to California a couple of years ago when California was experiencing brownouts. Many businesses actually closed thier doors and sold thier allottments to California becuase they could make more profit selling power to California than they could manufacturing product. They lay off all of thier workers, close the doors and sell thier power allottment to California, Arizona, Nevada, WASHINGTON, or Colorado. Those are states that were paying a premium for electricity. Much of that is still going on. Does any commodity actually change hands? Not really. The power is just re-routed throught the National Power Grid System.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Dan, well I guess about all I know, is Puget Sound Energy sends me a bill every month (by email) and I pay it. I never would have thought our electricity would come from Pennsylvania.

 

[BigHornyRam]

Dgibson,

Good points, and exactly why the local mill got together with some private investors to put in this cogen plant. Smart businessmen that wanted to guareentee their energy supply, and not be relient on some broker or national power co. In this part of the country, we are a major exporter of electricity for obvious reasons. The limiting factor is power line transmission.

Paul

 

[1_pointer]

Paul- If you don't mind me asking, what are the arguments against the co-gen plant? Water rights? Seems a workable idea, use the steam to turn the turbines then funnel to the kilns. Recycling the energy so to speak.

 

[BigHornyRam]

Pointer,

These businessmen are not going invest all this money into a cogen plant, and then allow the mill to go T. U.. An open mill means a steady timber supply, which means trees need to be cut. Those opposed to cutting trees are oppossed to the cogen plant, but the are pretty quiet right know.

Paul

 

[1_pointer]

T. U.? I figured that my be the problem, they need trees to fuel the plant.

 

[Washington Hunter]

T.U.= Tits Up

 

[ELKCHSR]

LOL on the last two posts!!!

WH, to the last post of yours towards mine. That really wasn't the point being made!!!

 

[cjcj]

let`s see 15 billion for aid`s in africa, a campaign promise of fiscal responsability, yet he has the highest debt in history! how`s that for a little bashing[yes he`s better than al gore or clinton ]but that isn`t the point! and he `s not a hero. the truth will set you free.

 

[ELKCHSR]