BigHornyRam
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Or anyone else who would like to participate. What energy source, or sources do you use to heat your home? How about to cool it? How well is your home insulated?
Paul
Paul
Question for the Bush Basher's
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Dick Reece
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For starters,I'm not a Bush basher, unless you're speaking of something other than George
.IMHO,GeoRge Bush is a National hero. I'll answer your question anyway,since you said anyone could participate.
My home was built one room at a time, apparently by inbred morons who knew nothing of carpentry work. The very first room built has square nails throughout the framework, that's how old it is.
When I first married my wife,the roof was bad.So,I worked OT and rounded up the money,and climbed up on it to reroof it.It's so old,that the original builders left six inch spaces between boards.So I had to run out and buy some cheap sawmill timber to fill in the gaps before I could even shingle.Talk about shock and surprise!My whole point is,it's entirely uninsulated.
She spent a fortune hiring some rip off artists to upgrade the heating sytem,and they did a crap job and left her holding the bag.3 years ago I bought the heat duct and redid all the ductwork,correctly this time,in a spider infested 18 inch crawlspace,all day long. It is gas heat.
Since I've been here I've put ceiling fans in every room, and we have an AC that does a fairly decent job of cooling the 3 front rooms [on the rare summer occasions when the wife whines so much I actually get it out of the building and install it
].
As for me,I'd be content in a tent,long as I could bathe and shave when needed.Usually I beat the heat by wearing shorts and opening all the windows and cranking up the ceiling fan.All I have to do is stay away from the windows,if the neighborhood women saw me in nothing but shorts,it'd probably start a riot!
<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-19-2003 10:17: Message edited by: PC Mechanic ]</font>
My home was built one room at a time, apparently by inbred morons who knew nothing of carpentry work. The very first room built has square nails throughout the framework, that's how old it is.
When I first married my wife,the roof was bad.So,I worked OT and rounded up the money,and climbed up on it to reroof it.It's so old,that the original builders left six inch spaces between boards.So I had to run out and buy some cheap sawmill timber to fill in the gaps before I could even shingle.Talk about shock and surprise!My whole point is,it's entirely uninsulated.
She spent a fortune hiring some rip off artists to upgrade the heating sytem,and they did a crap job and left her holding the bag.3 years ago I bought the heat duct and redid all the ductwork,correctly this time,in a spider infested 18 inch crawlspace,all day long. It is gas heat.
Since I've been here I've put ceiling fans in every room, and we have an AC that does a fairly decent job of cooling the 3 front rooms [on the rare summer occasions when the wife whines so much I actually get it out of the building and install it
As for me,I'd be content in a tent,long as I could bathe and shave when needed.Usually I beat the heat by wearing shorts and opening all the windows and cranking up the ceiling fan.All I have to do is stay away from the windows,if the neighborhood women saw me in nothing but shorts,it'd probably start a riot!
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Dick Reece
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Trying to get to me,I didn't get this handsome overnight!
Elkhunter
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We heat our place strictly by wood. The electric heat never comes on unless we have company and the house is usually warm enought that it still does not come on. We do not have a need to cool it in the summer. Not insulated the best, but far from the worst. It is adequate.
MarlandS
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I heat with wood too. Have a ductwork system I built to draw heated air from the room the woodstove is in sending it to the bedrooms and bath, Each of those rooms have a baseboard electric heater for back-up.
The house is over insulated to the point that much of the time a window is cracked for ventilation. This winter I spent $100 or so on electricity to run the back-ups (separate meter).
Cooling is done with two window units and ceiling fans. Not overly efficient, but when you work outside all day a little luxury is just that, a luxury.
Not a Bush basher, he has flaws but beats the alternative all to hell.
The house is over insulated to the point that much of the time a window is cracked for ventilation. This winter I spent $100 or so on electricity to run the back-ups (separate meter).
Cooling is done with two window units and ceiling fans. Not overly efficient, but when you work outside all day a little luxury is just that, a luxury.
Not a Bush basher, he has flaws but beats the alternative all to hell.
dgibson
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1. Heat pump with vanity fireplace in family room
2. Heat pump; open windows & ceiling fans when appropriate
3. Fairly well insulated, probably better than average
2. Heat pump; open windows & ceiling fans when appropriate
3. Fairly well insulated, probably better than average
Mine is by N. Gas...
I do understand fully the question that Paul is alluding to, and I fully appreciate all of the modern conveniences of our times, but I also fully appreciate how, who, and where they all originate from, to do anything other wise would constitute a major show of hypocrisy that those imbibing in the practice should really have a problem sleeping at night for being so contradictory in their own core beliefs and every day practices...
And as PC stated, President Bush is a true modern day National Hero!!!
I do understand fully the question that Paul is alluding to, and I fully appreciate all of the modern conveniences of our times, but I also fully appreciate how, who, and where they all originate from, to do anything other wise would constitute a major show of hypocrisy that those imbibing in the practice should really have a problem sleeping at night for being so contradictory in their own core beliefs and every day practices...
And as PC stated, President Bush is a true modern day National Hero!!!
Electric heat with a gas fireplace downstairs. Evap cooler for summer. Seems well insulated.
GW is a good president, but as stated previously I feel he has some shortcomings. My biggest gripe is that certain laws are passed or opened as issues when the 'problem' could be better handled (IMO) another way. I'm referring to the future drilling of ANWR. Stricter effeciency laws on vehicles would save more oil than is predicted to lie under ANWR. Take the good with the bad. The pendulum will swing back the other way sometime in the future.
GW is a good president, but as stated previously I feel he has some shortcomings. My biggest gripe is that certain laws are passed or opened as issues when the 'problem' could be better handled (IMO) another way. I'm referring to the future drilling of ANWR. Stricter effeciency laws on vehicles would save more oil than is predicted to lie under ANWR. Take the good with the bad. The pendulum will swing back the other way sometime in the future.
Muledeer4me
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"Bush is a National hero."
Im with you on that PC.
Now about wearing the short's around
care to post a picture
Our house is well insulated,
heat -- natural gas,
Air conditioner--electric central air(I perfer leaving the window's open)
Ceiling fan's.
Gas fireplace--that isn't used much.
[As far as wood heat goes--been there done that for year's,with both a wood stove including wood cook stove , fire place and oil lamp's.]
My shop is in part of our 4 car garage,so we put in an indrustral natural gas heater.
No air in the shop,but it has a roll up garage door facing the back yard,so if I open both the front & back I get a good breeze.
Im a Bush supporter all the way!!!!!
I like what he is doing to roll back some of the more restrictive invironmental law's of the Clinton mess.
Im with you on that PC.
Now about wearing the short's around
Our house is well insulated,
heat -- natural gas,
Air conditioner--electric central air(I perfer leaving the window's open)
Ceiling fan's.
Gas fireplace--that isn't used much.
[As far as wood heat goes--been there done that for year's,with both a wood stove including wood cook stove , fire place and oil lamp's.]
My shop is in part of our 4 car garage,so we put in an indrustral natural gas heater.
No air in the shop,but it has a roll up garage door facing the back yard,so if I open both the front & back I get a good breeze.
Im a Bush supporter all the way!!!!!
I like what he is doing to roll back some of the more restrictive invironmental law's of the Clinton mess.
BigHornyRam
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Thanks everyone who responded.
I am not surprised by the lack of response from those who this post was addressed to. Proves how clueless they are to individual consumption by each and every American. Just because you claim to be an enviromentalist, doesn't mean you actually are. This was my point and just to get everyone think about how and what they consume.
Here are my answers. I heat with wood, split by hand, but cut with a 2 stroke saw, and hauled by a diesel truck. The fan that draws combustion air and spreads the heat is electric. The back up heat to keep the pipes from freezing when I'm gone is from electric wall heaters. The electricity is produced by a local dam on the Clarks Fork. A 15 mega watt co-gen plant at the local mill will be on line by the end of the year to supplement. My cooling is done by ceiling fan and by taking advantage of cool Montana night air, and good insulation. My house is insulated with Core Bond, with walls being R-21 and ceilings at R-42.
President Bush understands what it takes keep this country strong, and provide for all its citizens, and to bash him as anti-enviroment shows everyone just how plain ignorant you are.
Paul
<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-23-2003 09:34: Message edited by: Paul C ]</font>
I am not surprised by the lack of response from those who this post was addressed to. Proves how clueless they are to individual consumption by each and every American. Just because you claim to be an enviromentalist, doesn't mean you actually are. This was my point and just to get everyone think about how and what they consume.
Here are my answers. I heat with wood, split by hand, but cut with a 2 stroke saw, and hauled by a diesel truck. The fan that draws combustion air and spreads the heat is electric. The back up heat to keep the pipes from freezing when I'm gone is from electric wall heaters. The electricity is produced by a local dam on the Clarks Fork. A 15 mega watt co-gen plant at the local mill will be on line by the end of the year to supplement. My cooling is done by ceiling fan and by taking advantage of cool Montana night air, and good insulation. My house is insulated with Core Bond, with walls being R-21 and ceilings at R-42.
President Bush understands what it takes keep this country strong, and provide for all its citizens, and to bash him as anti-enviroment shows everyone just how plain ignorant you are.
Paul
<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-23-2003 09:34: Message edited by: Paul C ]</font>
Paul- I've heard arguments that diesel is 'better' than gas. Though it's emissions produce more particulate matter, it goes through less processing, this is cleaner in the long run. Any thoughts/comments?
My house was bought as is, but I will build one in the future with effeciency in mind. I have a couple of questions. Is your water heated via electric water heater? What is a co-gen? Is a two story more efficient than a one story of like volume? Are you aware of septic tanks/treatment systems that allow for some recycling of the water for something like irrigation purposes? Sorry for so many questions, but this is something I feel is important and will do in the future.
Have you seen this article? Power Steer It was originally published in the NY Times. Check out his calculations of the amount of oil one steer 'eats'.
My house was bought as is, but I will build one in the future with effeciency in mind. I have a couple of questions. Is your water heated via electric water heater? What is a co-gen? Is a two story more efficient than a one story of like volume? Are you aware of septic tanks/treatment systems that allow for some recycling of the water for something like irrigation purposes? Sorry for so many questions, but this is something I feel is important and will do in the future.
Have you seen this article? Power Steer It was originally published in the NY Times. Check out his calculations of the amount of oil one steer 'eats'.
cjcj
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well i have a little bashing to do !first my home is total electric,and super insulated, have my own well now to the bashing! i support G.W. even voted for him, but his stand on immigration is NON-EXISTANT! he has ran and hid like every other phony politition on this issue, and you know this is a fact! he was right on about iraq! but has forgot that the real war is on our southern border! and act`s like there is no threat to our country from the invasion! i`ll even bet he gives the illegal`s amnesty!
Ithaca 37
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1 Pointer, thanks for the link to a great article!
Paul, I spent about thirty years in the oil business, so I think I have a fairly good handle on what Bush is up to. He and his administration are terrible on the environmental issues. You're the one who doesn't know what's going on, but ignorance is bliss and you're as happy as Anna Nicole Smith in a room fulla ninety year old billionaires.
As a hunter, you should try to be more aware of the relationship between habitat and game populations.
Paul, I spent about thirty years in the oil business, so I think I have a fairly good handle on what Bush is up to. He and his administration are terrible on the environmental issues. You're the one who doesn't know what's going on, but ignorance is bliss and you're as happy as Anna Nicole Smith in a room fulla ninety year old billionaires.
As a hunter, you should try to be more aware of the relationship between habitat and game populations.
Washington Hunter
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Paul, the energy source somebody uses to heat and cool their home has nothing at all to do with their stand on protecting wildlife habitat, or not caring about it. If that's what you're trying to imply, I'm not sure. All hunters should be in favor of wildlife and wildlife habitat. If you're anti-environment, you shouldn't be hunting.
Come on Washington Hunter lets come up with some thing more intelligent than that, and yes, this question put at the top is lost on you, it is a part of every bit of this. To give you an example, you are complaining about the color of the frosting of a cake because that is the easy thing to see, but never look at the ingredients inside. I don't know why I actually mentioned this analogy to you, it as the question above will also be lost...
Ithaca 37
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Elkchser, Yup, you lost me on that one!
The color of the frosting of the cake is supposed to have something to do with the environment?
Washington Hunter
Well-known member
Elkchsr, you want ME to come up with something more intelligent?
Ok, well, I'll answer Paul's question and maybe he can tell me if I'm a good or bad person because of the energy source I use to heat and cool my home. I have a heat pump, which of course runs on electricity, and I couldn't tell you exactly where that electricity comes from, although I am sure it is produced from one of the dams on the Columbia River. My house is about as well insulated as any, since it is only 5 years old. In the winter, I don't turn my thermostat above 64. In the summer I only use the A/C if the temperature in the house is around 80 or above. My highest electricity bill this winter was $54/month.
So what does all that prove? Am I anti-environment because I don't burn wood?
Ok, well, I'll answer Paul's question and maybe he can tell me if I'm a good or bad person because of the energy source I use to heat and cool my home. I have a heat pump, which of course runs on electricity, and I couldn't tell you exactly where that electricity comes from, although I am sure it is produced from one of the dams on the Columbia River. My house is about as well insulated as any, since it is only 5 years old. In the winter, I don't turn my thermostat above 64. In the summer I only use the A/C if the temperature in the house is around 80 or above. My highest electricity bill this winter was $54/month.
So what does all that prove? Am I anti-environment because I don't burn wood?
