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Pennsylvania Elk Tags

tim629

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The PA game commission has been having some meetings recently and it seems as though yesterday they got into the elk discussion quite a bit. I think april is when things will get approved but I suspect everything i've been reading will be approved.

Bull will become once in a lifetime for anyone
Non-Residents will be capped at 10%
You will need a valid license to enter the points.


PA offers preference points so your chances aren't ever 0 unless you put in for the point only. In the past few years they have added a late season elk hunt & an archery only elk hunt as well as the regular season. Because of the early archery season they have moved the drawing to july instead of august, opening the application window for the elk lottery before they open that license sales up for the year. I was confused how that would work but their wording is you must have a valid license to apply so the PGC commissioners said if you have a 24/25 license you can apply for the elk drawing for fall of 25, that means if you're a NR and still want to apply you can game the system a little bit. Buy your 25/26 license at the end of june and apply for the elk points (11.97/season point so 36 for all 3 if you wanted + the 100ish non-resident license) then in spring of 26 you can apply for the 26 elk points because you'll still have a valid license. june of 2027 do the same thing. so cuts the license fee to 50/year if you're just wanting to apply.

The NR cap generally won't change much, it was below 5% for quite a while, the past i think 5 years it has averaged at 11% so it is enough to make some people quit crying but it isn't going to change the odds that much. I think the must posses a valid big game license will be the bigger detracting factor.


lifetime limit for bull elk. If you're like me buying a license every year anyway, as a NR I might switch my choices to cow only and then enter the Keystone Elk County Alliance more than just $100/year for 6 tickets to be entered in one of the 2 governors tags offered. I figure it would suck to win that tag and not be able to use it. If you're a NR and don't want to buy a NR license because you're just entering in the off chance of getting a tag, enter the KECA raffle instead, the points reset to zero every year but being a bonus point not a preference point it isn't the absolute end of the world to be in a smaller raffle with 0 than a larger raffle with 10.

Just my 2 cents, i'll be curious to see what other people do for strategies for PA applications
 
bonus point, not preference point sorry about that.

so the more years you enter the more times your name is in the hat. a lot of locals are upset because they have been putting in for 15-20years and haven't gotten drawn but someone will generally get drawn their first year. if it was a preference point there would be no reason for anyone to enter anymore since they give out so few tags/year
 
bonus point, not preference point sorry about that.

so the more years you enter the more times your name is in the hat. a lot of locals are upset because they have been putting in for 15-20years and haven't gotten drawn but someone will generally get drawn their first year. if it was a preference point there would be no reason for anyone to enter anymore since they give out so few tags/year
That’s why I asked thanks for the response
 
So many states are jumping in this “buy a qualifying” licence to apply, rather than just requiring it to hunt. But the odds are sooooooooo low to draw, it is clearly just a money grab. NR folks who don’t live near PA would be wise to look at those draw odds..they are way worse than most “almost impossible to draw” western tags. BUT - if you are near enough and want to use the licence and get after a whitetail, turkey, bear, small game, it could still be a good value to have the licence.
 
So many states are jumping in this “buy a qualifying” licence to apply, rather than just requiring it to hunt. But the odds are sooooooooo low to draw, it is clearly just a money grab. NR folks who don’t live near PA would be wise to look at those draw odds..they are way worse than most “almost impossible to draw” western tags. BUT - if you are near enough and want to use the licence and get after a whitetail, turkey, bear, small game, it could still be a good value to have the licence.
I was hoping to pick up a landowner elk tag honestly
 
Interesting. Thank you for the insight. I’ve applied the last two years. I wonder why not just increase the application fee for NR instead of requiring license purchase? I mean the difference between $36 and either $86 or $136 is negligible to most but does seem to complicate the application.
 
Interesting. Thank you for the insight. I’ve applied the last two years. I wonder why not just increase the application fee for NR instead of requiring license purchase? I mean the difference between $36 and either $86 or $136 is negligible to most but does seem to complicate the application.

Requiring a license purchase then gets more Pittman-Robertson funds to be allocated to the state. Application fees do not do this.
 
I was picturing deep-pocketed hunters all of a sudden making calls to secure their apple piles and PA yard elk

coulda been been a new world record opportunity!
They auction off one tag, goes for around $350k-$400k.

Quite the bargain
 
Requiring a license purchase then gets more Pittman-Robertson funds to be allocated to the state. Application fees do not do this.
the weird thing is: they have a surplus of funds at the moment. I'm sure it is a way to secure more funds because they can but it is a goofy unnecessary money grab.

i'm sure part of it is public perception, there are STILL people that are upset that the NR tag is 250, it should be whatever their home state charges for an elk tag (NY doesn't have elk so I guess if i get drawn i get a free tag?) so if they say that this will limit people from applying due to the price it will keep 10 people in the state happy while there are still 100 that haven't drawn so will be unhappy that anyone but them drew a tag.

KECA i think is still the better bang for the buck for a NR if you're not already buying a license, the money goes to the elk grounds not into the general fund that a license sale would go into
 
the weird thing is: they have a surplus of funds at the moment. I'm sure it is a way to secure more funds because they can but it is a goofy unnecessary money grab.

i'm sure part of it is public perception, there are STILL people that are upset that the NR tag is 250, it should be whatever their home state charges for an elk tag (NY doesn't have elk so I guess if i get drawn i get a free tag?) so if they say that this will limit people from applying due to the price it will keep 10 people in the state happy while there are still 100 that haven't drawn so will be unhappy that anyone but them drew a tag.

KECA i think is still the better bang for the buck for a NR if you're not already buying a license, the money goes to the elk grounds not into the general fund that a license sale would go into
If you win the KECA tag, can you opt out of it being filmed? I think in the past a videographer was included. NO THANKS!
 
the weird thing is: they have a surplus of funds at the moment. I'm sure it is a way to secure more funds because they can but it is a goofy unnecessary money grab.

i'm sure part of it is public perception, there are STILL people that are upset that the NR tag is 250, it should be whatever their home state charges for an elk tag (NY doesn't have elk so I guess if i get drawn i get a free tag?) so if they say that this will limit people from applying due to the price it will keep 10 people in the state happy while there are still 100 that haven't drawn so will be unhappy that anyone but them drew a tag.

KECA i think is still the better bang for the buck for a NR if you're not already buying a license, the money goes to the elk grounds not into the general fund that a license sale would go into
The main reason for the change is that residents wanted less non-residents in the draw. Making them buy a license and capping them at 10% will accomplish that without totally ripping the rug out from them by going to residents only. The extra money in the form of Pittman-Robertson license dollars by making them buy a license will be negligible. Likely won't even come close to making up what will be lost by losing thousands of NR applicants.

It's about appeasing the residents, not making money. Even if it's only going to be a 0.01% bump in draw odds, that's the way it goes...

A few years ago, something like half the archery bull tags went to non-residents and I think that's what kicked this snowball off the top of the hill.
 
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If you win the KECA tag, can you opt out of it being filmed? I think in the past a videographer was included. NO THANKS!
Pretty sure you can opt out of filming or choose a different outfitter than what's provided for free. Heard of at least one tag winner paying out of pocket to go with other guides because they had better/different access.
 
I live in NY and have been applying for 6 years. Having to buy a non resident license is ridiculous for how terrible the odds are. They should allow you to apply with the 7 day small game license at least instead of the full yearly big game license
 
Meh, PA is just trying to keep up with the Jones’s…

Aka; every western state that is currently reducing NR opportunity while simultaneously ripping them off and pricing them out.
 
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