NR Upland Seasons (LC3901)

[cgasner1]

Great discussion. Appreciate the different perspectives. I’ve always said it’s a really good thing birds don’t have antlers. Bird hunters are so cordial. Not that I don’t kill antlered stuff!

I’m not a dog trainer, but I do run 7 dogs. I just like hunting dogs. I started going to MT from KS regularly 12 years ago. I had always wanted to go back just never had the means. My grandpa took me there maybe 35 years ago the first time. It was a dream. When I finally got the means myself I started going. Now I hunt 8-9 states each year, probably pushing 50 days of upland each year…most of it in KS. I’ve worked hard in my life to do this and it’s all I do basically outside of work. Some I make the opener and others I don’t. I tent camp. I guess the perspective I’m trying to present is one of passion for the dogs and birds. Not all of us are in it for the training, guiding, or money. I’m a non-resident but I’m still a guy who just loves to hunt birds behind dogs like a lot of you. Even the guys that are in it for training and guiding they have their own passions they are living out. The bottom line is NRs are not villains. They are guys mostly like every other bird hunter.

I do support the bill in MT. I just want everyone else to support it for reasons other than thinking NRs are villains.

A lot of us don’t view nr as evil. The bill from what I had heard was in response to a couple people ruining it. Such is life.

 

[DFS]

Too bad the deer in region 6 and 7 couldn’t get some relief from nonresident pressure. Nonresidents are not the villains but Montana is badly in need of some constraints on nonresidents. Would be nice to see reasonable regional caps for bird deer and elk hunters.

 

[sclancy27]

Too bad the deer in region 6 and 7 couldn’t get some relief from nonresident pressure. Nonresidents are not the villains but Montana is badly in need of some constraints on nonresidents. Would be nice to see reasonable regional caps for bird deer and elk hunters.

Isn't all elk draw for NR in those regions.....

 

[DFS]

Isn't all elk draw for NR in those regions.....

No. But I think western Montana sees its fair share of nonresident elk hunters?

 

[Hem]

No problem with NR hunters, buts it's hard to stomach every aspect of our fish and game getting pounded by too many NR's.

 

[sclancy27]

No. But I think western Montana sees its fair share of nonresident elk hunters?

Yes, correct. I'm not familiar enough with the elk harvest data to speak intelligently about any sort of NR trends the last 20 yrs tho.

 

[mtmuley]

No. But I think western Montana sees its fair share of nonresident elk hunters?

I think the Big Hole and surrounding does. I don't see many NR's where I am. mtmuley

 

[DFS]

Yes, correct. I'm not familiar enough with the elk harvest data to speak intelligently about any sort of NR trends the last 20 yrs tho.

Bird and deer nonresident caps it is.

 

[sclancy27]

Bird and deer nonresident caps it is.

I think bird caps is a no brainer.

Deer is tougher, given what I think the dept would do.

 

[DFS]

I think bird caps is a no brainer.

Deer is tougher, given what I think the dept would do.

That’s why I said reasonable nonresident caps.

Basically a pipe dream that will never happen.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Bird and deer nonresident caps it is.

Make the last 3 weeks of every single area draw only for mule deer.

 

[DFS]

Make the last 3 weeks of every single area draw only for mule deer.

Another pipe dream.

 

[cgasner1]

Make the last 3 weeks of every single area draw only for mule deer.

Get to work on it

 

[sclancy27]

That’s why I said reasonable nonresident caps.

Basically a pipe dream that will never happen.

I'd be curious in the actual #'s you would consider reasonable

 

[DFS]

I'd be curious in the actual #'s you would consider reasonable

40% of the previous years mule deer harvest by residents.

 

[sclancy27]

40% of the previous years mule deer harvest by residents.

In tags?

 

[DFS]

In tags?

Yes.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Get to work on it

Its a perfectly workable and easy solution.

The primary problem is that no with a lot of money benefits from it. So theres no where to get the political support to push making the changes.

 

[cgasner1]

Its a perfectly workable and easy solution.

The primary problem is that no with a lot of money benefits from it. So theres no where to get the political support to push making the changes.

Any solution is a good one get to going on it

 

[sclancy27]

Yes.

What data did you use to come to that number or is it a "gut feeling" kind of thing?

Just PM me instead of derailing this thread about the upland bird bill.