Walkalot
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A mule deer buck tag every 5yrs. Whitetail otc.
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Wont happen in MT. It’s fun to dream but that’s not happening.A mule deer buck tag every 5yrs. Whitetail otc.
To clarify, tags not drawn in the first go to the regular draw, not applicants. NR tags are capped at a specific number. I assume all the tags will be gone in the first draw.I understand that the people who don’t draw will go into the normal draw
Yes, I misspoke on that. So the 40% in the early draw will probably sell out. If I was betting on it I’d say there is a good chance the odds are worse in the early draw.To clarify, tags not drawn in the first go to the regular draw, not applicants. NR tags are capped at a specific number. I assume all the tags will be gone in the first draw.
What is this “staying in Montana” stuff? That is not a thing in economics. State economies are not self contained structures operating in a purely competitive way. What matters is how many times the money gets spent. If a group from WY drives to MT to hunt and stops at the Billings Costco to load up, that money doesn’t “stay in Montana”. The only think that helps MT budget is the ability to tax income or collect fees. If a guide is from CA he should still have to fill out a MT tax return (again, this violates my first assumption- that everyone cheats on their taxes). The UM study was flawed in its design and incomplete in its conclusions. I could argue that $100 spent in various establishments is better than $500 given to a single entity. Velocity of the money is what matters.According to bigshooter all the money from outfitting stays in Montana...which everyone knows is a lie.
What is this “staying in Montana” stuff? That is not a thing in economics. State economies are not self contained structures operating in a purely competitive way. What matters is how many times the money gets spent. If a group from WY drives to MT to hunt and stops at the Billings Costco to load up, that money doesn’t “stay in Montana”. The only think that helps MT budget is the ability to tax income or collect fees. If a guide is from CA he should still have to fill out a MT tax return (again, this violates my first assumption- that everyone cheats on their taxes). The UM study was flawed in its design and incomplete in its conclusions. I could argue that $100 spent in various establishments is better than $500 given to a single entity. Velocity of the money is what matters.
After 94 pages what this thread is missing is pictures of cheese.After 94 pages, I don't think many of us with a business background really buy what the outfitters are selling.
Does the amended bill state where the extra $300 for the early draw gets allocated?
I don’t think so. How I read the last amended version, all NR tags are in the first draw. For a participant to get in that draw, they pay $300. See Ben’s post on where $ goes. They don’t need to have an outfitter and no tags are allocated to outfitters. If a DIY NR pays the $300, they are in the draw. The odds can’t be worse. If all the tags are gone, the draw odds for those that didn’t pony up the $ are 0%.Yes, I misspoke on that. So the 40% in the early draw will probably sell out. If I was betting on it I’d say there is a good chance the odds are worse in the early draw.
Thank you for clarifying.As amended, the early draw fee would go to Habitat Montana, which was opposed by the chairman of the Senate Fish & Game Committee, as well as the bill sponsor & MOGA.
Meanwhile, the legislature again attacks Habitat Montana with more bills & diversion of funding.
So MOGA hates access & conservation easements, while trying to steal 60% of the NR licenses. Great look guys.
I’ll have to read that again. The way I understood it was 40% of tags would go into an early draw at $300 and anyone could apply. The other 60% would be in the regular draw in March. I’m assuming a pile of people will pay the extra and it will end up being easier to draw in the lower priced draw.I don’t think so. How I read the last amended version, all NR tags are in the first draw. For a participant to get in that draw, they pay $300. See Ben’s post on where $ goes. They don’t need to have an outfitter and no tags are allocated to outfitters. If a DIY NR pays the $300, they are in the draw. The odds can’t be worse. If all the tags are gone, the draw odds for those that didn’t pony up the $ are 0%.
Please don't urge the Legislature to create more new tag laws. FG Commission and FWP already can do that, as illustrated by hunting district rules such as shoulder season and other rules specifying taking elk only on private land or in other specified areas described in the regulations.Perhaps then a license good for only public lands and one for only private land needs be created.
Perhaps a private land mule deer tag, a public land md tag, and a whitetail license, buck R&NR can only hold one buck tag per year.
You are right and I was wrong. It is 40%. I have read a reread so many bills I can’t keep anything straight.I’ll have to read that again. The way I understood it was 40% of tags would go into an early draw at $300 and anyone could apply. The other 60% would be in the regular draw in March. I’m assuming a pile of people will pay the extra and it will end up being easier to draw in the lower priced draw.
However, if all tags are in the early draw that changes everything.
It looks like the undrawn tags and applicants who don’t draw move. So basically the $300 buys two bites at the same apple?Yes, I misspoke on that. So the 40% in the early draw will probably sell out. If I was betting on it I’d say there is a good chance the odds are worse in the early draw.