And yet we don't have to rape non residents in order to find our budget.
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Non-resident Hunting and the North American Model
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Do I need to start handing out snickers bars over here
Trial needs one. mtmuley
I am sticking with Bourbon tonight. I had a hell of a good week.
I'm a cheapskate redneck. Miller Highlife for me. mtmuley
BuzzH
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You're selling them cheap because they aren't worth any more than that...you could give me a nr new York deer and bear tag for free and I'm not bothering to hunt there. If there really was a decent value you'd have 380,000 hunting there instead of 38,000....and the price wouldn't be that cheap.
NR Whitetail tags in the midwest sell for wayyyyyy more than new York for a reason.
That works too. we have beer in the fridge as well, I would share few for sure.
Dont worry Buzz, the chickens will come home to roost. A miserable old sap like yourself may not live to see it, but I might
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So which is it? You say you can and will pay whatever the asking price is, but you also think that’s the wrong system.
What’s a fair system that’s in line with the NAM for states where demand outstrips supply by many times? Legitimately wondering. You’ve made it clear in this and other threads what you don’t find fair, so what is fair and follows the NAM, that’s within the realm of attainability?
I need to articulate "do you want a $20 elk tag" into this. mtmuley
Here is a good start
1)Random draws
2)Everyone purchases the appropriate license every year. For every state they apply in.
3)An application fee that covers the expense associated with conducting that draw. This should be the same for NR and residents as it shouldn't cost any different. This shouldn't be a cash cow.
4)75/25 resident to nonresident quota for both limited draws and general tags that have a cap.
5) Elimination of all auction tags, crony political tags, and raffle tags and outfitter set asides tags.
6) Landowner tags, will be for landowners and their families, no transferable and no unit-wide bullshit tags.
7) 4 to 1, or 5-1 nonresident to resident fee ratio. Base it on a robust budget that fully funds wildlife agency's so we will not only substain wildlife populations but grow them where it's appropriate.
8)Quotas are to be set by professionals in each states wild life departments, not by legislation.
9) Public land access and seasons are the same for anyone holding the tag.
10) No outfitter mandates ( think Alaska )
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Dougfirtree
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Call me overly sensitive (and I don't disagree with your overall point), but when I hunt in Wyoming, I deal with more crowds than at home. And there's tons of public land here, it's just not federal.
Our crowds stay on the trails.
BuzzH
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It's never crowded where I hunt in Wyoming on public land...home field advantage I guess.Call me overly sensitive (and I don't disagree with your overall point), but when I hunt in Wyoming, I deal with more crowds than at home. And there's tons of public land here, it's just not federal.
Our crowds stay on the trails.
Our crowds never leave the road.
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I saw about 5X more hunters this year in AK then in MACall me overly sensitive (and I don't disagree with your overall point), but when I hunt in Wyoming, I deal with more crowds than at home. And there's tons of public land here, it's just not federal.
Our crowds stay on the trails.
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I saw three hunters who weren't in a vehicle this year. Two guys deer hunting together while I was grouse hunting and one fellow lope hunter in an easy-to-draw doe area.
Could see that many dog hunters walking through your private property every Saturday back in NC/VA.
Could see that many dog hunters walking through your private property every Saturday back in NC/VA.
I’m in the same boat as far as nearing the end of my hunting due to age. I’m also in this years Wy elk draw, probably my last. But not because of health issues. With license prices for NR increasing and PP needed to draw increasing your every 3 or 4 year general elk hunts are gone. To the younger guys looking forward to retirement thinking you’ll have plenty of time to hunt Wy do it now. Like everything else the good old days are gone.
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This is by far the best thread going on the internet, thank you
Neither does comparing eastern states that are infested with deer to western states that arent.
Another NR that feels he is entitled to hunt western game.
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Trial said,
Here is a good start
1)Random draws
2)Everyone purchases the appropriate license every year. For every state they apply in.
3)An application fee that covers the expense associated with conducting that draw. This should be the same for NR and residents as it shouldn't cost any different. This shouldn't be a cash cow.
4)75/25 resident to nonresident quota for both limited draws and general tags that have a cap.
5) Elimination of all auction tags, crony political tags, and raffle tags and outfitter set asides tags.
6) Landowner tags, will be for landowners and their families, no transferable and no unit-wide bullshit tags.
7) 4 to 1, or 5-1 nonresident to resident fee ratio. Base it on a robust budget that fully funds wildlife agency's so we will not only substain wildlife populations but grow them where it's appropriate.
8)Quotas are to be set by professionals in each states wild life departments, not by legislation.
9) Public land access and seasons are the same for anyone holding the tag.
10) No outfitter mandates ( think Alaska )
Sounds ok to me. The NA model is about everyone being able to hunt. Everybody gets a chance, not just the wealthy. This is actually better than we have now as who knows how many out of state hunters hunt in CO, our two over the counter seasons are unlimited. Points to shoot some antlers are nutty. F+G budgets are bloated, we don't need NR money.
Here is a good start
1)Random draws
2)Everyone purchases the appropriate license every year. For every state they apply in.
3)An application fee that covers the expense associated with conducting that draw. This should be the same for NR and residents as it shouldn't cost any different. This shouldn't be a cash cow.
4)75/25 resident to nonresident quota for both limited draws and general tags that have a cap.
5) Elimination of all auction tags, crony political tags, and raffle tags and outfitter set asides tags.
6) Landowner tags, will be for landowners and their families, no transferable and no unit-wide bullshit tags.
7) 4 to 1, or 5-1 nonresident to resident fee ratio. Base it on a robust budget that fully funds wildlife agency's so we will not only substain wildlife populations but grow them where it's appropriate.
8)Quotas are to be set by professionals in each states wild life departments, not by legislation.
9) Public land access and seasons are the same for anyone holding the tag.
10) No outfitter mandates ( think Alaska )
Sounds ok to me. The NA model is about everyone being able to hunt. Everybody gets a chance, not just the wealthy. This is actually better than we have now as who knows how many out of state hunters hunt in CO, our two over the counter seasons are unlimited. Points to shoot some antlers are nutty. F+G budgets are bloated, we don't need NR money.
