New Scope | 300 yards in low-light

[shb]

This smells more and more like green ipas or something

Smells like an Askhole.



I should have read farther.

 

[np307]

Also - folks that are unfamiliar with this gun and how outstanding it is should look at this page here.

There it is

 

[TheTone]

@BackofBeyond - You've added zero value to this thread. I'm very clearly saying that my current 4-16x50 doesn't make me comfortable for some of the shots I need to take.

but here’s the thing, you don’t “need” to take any shot. Amazing thing is you can pass on shots you aren’t comfortable with

 

[shb]

Also - folks that are unfamiliar with this gun and how outstanding it is should look at this page

Long range single shot rifles, with fancy optics in muzzleloader seasons, are the outdoors equivalent of letting weirdo males compete in women's sports.

 

[Mr. UML]

but here’s the thing, you don’t “need” to take any shot. Amazing thing is you can pass on shots you aren’t comfortable with

@TheTone - It's all about having the right tool for the job. With more zoom and better clarity, I'll be comfortable taking the shot. That's the whole point of the thread. If what I had was good enough (for me), I wouldn't have started the thread.

@shb - There's arguably no finer weapon than the Remington UML for where I'm at in Michigan. It's an amazing weapon.

 

[peterk1234]

All kidding aside, magnification is not your problem. Especially in low light. The higher you crank that thing, the earlier you need to stop hunting. Magnification robs you of light. That is not an opinion, that's a fact.

Your problem is distance. You need to get closer. And since you are using a muzzleloader, you need to get even closer. I used to shoot an inline. Did my own load development for it. Meaning, bought bags of different sabots, different bullets and different powder loads using BH209. I'm not sure I would ever consider 300 yards. Heck, 200 would likely be a no go. I don't like to go out to 300 yards with my 308. And I shoot every week. Eh, guess I'm not a very good shot.

You have a lot of reputable companies on your list. Many of them have some of the best light gathering characteristics in the industry. People here may be poking at you but much of their advice is sound. It's your money but you are about to spend it on the wrong solution. Spend it on boots that are quiet so you can sneak up on your quarry.

 

[Potsie]

Long range single shot rifles, with fancy optics in muzzleloader seasons, are the outdoors equivalent of letting weirdo males compete in women's sports.

Or crossbows during archery season.

 

[TheJason]

Or crossbows during archery season.

Sit on it, Potsie.

 

[TheTone]

it’s no wonder states are moving to restrict methods of take more and more. We continue to get better at killing while animals aren’t getting any better at avoiding us

 

[Dave N]

Can see a 6" gong to shoot at.
Can't see a deer's vitals to shoot at.

 

[Mr. UML]

All kidding aside, magnification is not your problem. Especially in low light. The higher you crank that thing, the earlier you need to stop hunting. Magnification robs you of light. That is not an opinion, that's a fact.

Your problem is distance. You need to get closer. And since you are using a muzzleloader, you need to get even closer. I used to shoot an inline. Did my own load development for it. Meaning, bought bags of different sabots, different bullets and different powder loads using BH209. I'm not sure I would ever consider 300 yards. Heck, 200 would likely be a no go. I don't like to go out to 300 yards with my 308. And I shoot every week. Eh, guess I'm not a very good shot.

You have a lot of reputable companies on your list. Many of them have some of the best light gathering characteristics in the industry. People here may be poking at you but much of their advice is sound. It's your money but you are about to spend it on the wrong solution. Spend it on boots that are quiet so you can sneak up on your quarry.

Going with bigger objective lenses + tube diameters helps to compensate for the losses incurred during magnification. That's why I want to go up from 50mm Objective & 32mm tubes as well.

My problem is not distance. The Remington UML is a highly capable muzzleloader, with "stock" performance of 300 yards. With the modifications I run (and many do, as shown in the link I provided), people shoot it to 500 yards. This is not your "grandpa's" muzzleloader or a CVA Optima.

@Dave N - dinging a gong isn't the same as shooting a well-placed shot. 6" is the difference between heart / lungs / guts.

 

[LousyResident]

Guys, you aren’t understanding. When he’s looking through the scope he only wants to see animal. He doesn’t want to see background, foreground, etc. He wants to see hair and shoulder crease so he can find the sweet spot. That way he can clearly hit it right in the ventricles. That’s why he need the high magnification, no getting distracted by things like other animals behind the one he’s shooting.

 

[BAKPAKR]

No experience with the 10-60X March but I think it would be pretty interesting on a UML.

Aim small, miss small.

 

[Dave N]

Guys, you aren’t understanding. When he’s looking through the scope he only wants to see animal. He doesn’t want to see background, foreground, etc. He wants to see hair and shoulder crease so he can find the sweet spot. That way he can clearly hit it right in the ventricles. That’s why he need the high magnification, no getting distracted by things like other animals behind the one he’s shooting.

Yeah, I guess. I've wasted enough time with this. I have better things to do than help a guy shoot a tick off a deer's ear at 300 yards in the dark with his muzzleloader. Because he wants to.

 

[The Hedgehog]

I’m requesting an expert from 24hr to come over and help Mr. UML.

@Mr. UML this is a better optics specific site for your question: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/forums/16/1/hunting-optics

 

[Mr. UML]

No experience with the 10-60X March but I think it would be pretty interesting on a UML.

Aim small, miss small.

I would be interested if anyone has any opinions on the March scopes!

 

[mtmuley]

I’m requesting an expert from 24hr to come over and help Mr. UML.

Calling Big Stick

This might require a Rokslider. mtmuley

 

[dranrab]

I would be interested if anyone has any opinions on the March scopes!

I have that very March scope on my Remington UML. It is really the only viable option.

 

[BAKPAKR]

I have that very March scope on my Remington UML. It is really the only viable option.

Any reason you didn’t go with the 8-80X instead?

 

[Mr. UML]

I have that very March scope on my Remington UML. It is really the only viable option.

Not sure if sarcasm or serious.