New Scope | 300 yards in low-light
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Nick87
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This thread backs up the whole argument about the crossbow thread we had the other day. People will find away to make it easier at all cost. It's pretty ridiculous/sad really. Thanks to the op though it's given me enough self reflection this evening that I'm going to park the muzzleloader with the scope and use the open sight version the rest of the season.. so thanks, I guess.
Nick87
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Someone's gonna use the handle @stankhunter now, I can feel it coming.
Mr. UML
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@Dave N - You're twisting words. I may be an "average shot", but the "average muzzleloader hunter" doesn't have the equipment or the opportunity to shoot 300 yards. Shooting 2" groups at 200 yards and 100% hitting a 6" gong at 300 yards isn't bad shooting. It's average.
@Darryle - Higher magnification is needed for shooting further. My point is that if they get nailed with this gun, they go down like a bag of bricks every time.
@Nick87 - The goal of technology is to make life easier, and if having some more magnification can do that for me, than I should go for it.
Lastly folks, there isn't a legal definition for "low light conditions". Like most states, Michigan has legal hunting hours and depending on the time of the year, some days you can see just fine at the end of the hunt, others would implore you to stop hunting much sooner. Nonetheless, there are times when it is approaching the end of legal hunting and a huge deer comes into the field (for the sake of making a point, let's say 300 yards away) and being able to make a clear image out of it vs. not can really come down to your optic.
When I stopped using ass-tier optics years ago and upgraded to my Swaro (since replaced by the Zeiss), I noticed a massive difference in light-gathering capability. I was able to shoot considerably further and down game very effectively. This thread is me pushing that edge even further.
@Darryle - Higher magnification is needed for shooting further. My point is that if they get nailed with this gun, they go down like a bag of bricks every time.
@Nick87 - The goal of technology is to make life easier, and if having some more magnification can do that for me, than I should go for it.
Lastly folks, there isn't a legal definition for "low light conditions". Like most states, Michigan has legal hunting hours and depending on the time of the year, some days you can see just fine at the end of the hunt, others would implore you to stop hunting much sooner. Nonetheless, there are times when it is approaching the end of legal hunting and a huge deer comes into the field (for the sake of making a point, let's say 300 yards away) and being able to make a clear image out of it vs. not can really come down to your optic.
When I stopped using ass-tier optics years ago and upgraded to my Swaro (since replaced by the Zeiss), I noticed a massive difference in light-gathering capability. I was able to shoot considerably further and down game very effectively. This thread is me pushing that edge even further.
Potsie
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I already requested to change mine to Potsie, so it’s all you.
Nick87
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Wtf is postie?
Nick87
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Have you given any thought to just going thermal?
Just because you spent more money for something doesn't make it "better".
@Darryle - Higher magnification is needed for shooting further.
No, it's not.
That's just funny! Yeah, it's all in that special, "non-average" gun!
There are limits to everything, including shootable light. You can't create something that isn't there.
You're really starting to come off as an arrogant ass with all of your wants and "should be able to haves". You asked for help and gave your reasons why. When folks who have a LOT of knowledge try to help you they are dismissed because they don't know what YOU have or want. Take a breath. If you say you are hitting a 6" gong every time you can kill a deer with it. Isn't that why you bought the thing? I just don't know why you have any issues besides available light. THAT can't be controlled.
Potsie. Happy Days. Before your time TV show.
Potsie
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OP told me to “sit on it, Potsie.”
This was right after he explained to me how unhelpful I am.
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Mr. UML
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@Nick87 - Thermal isn't legal in Michigan.
@Dave N - I never said more money = better. Better = Better. My comment regarding a bag of bricks is that a .50cal muzzleloader drops deer way harder than a .350 Legend. That isn't rocket science.
You completely missed my point regarding shootable light. My point is best summarized here:
Hitting a gong every time at 300 yards is good and all, but there are scopes available that can help me be more precise. That's the point.
@Dave N - I never said more money = better. Better = Better. My comment regarding a bag of bricks is that a .50cal muzzleloader drops deer way harder than a .350 Legend. That isn't rocket science.
You completely missed my point regarding shootable light. My point is best summarized here:
Hitting a gong every time at 300 yards is good and all, but there are scopes available that can help me be more precise. That's the point.
Caseknife
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Why don't you give Gunwerks a call and see what they suggest since they have a muzzy that will shoot 500 yards,
Nick87
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My bad, they actually are legal to use if hunting a preserve like a lot of the guys here do, myself included. I didn't realize you weren't hunting a preserve like some of us. Are there preserves in Michigan? Sorry if that's a dumb question I don't know much about Michigan. Have you thought about trying them? They are so much fun. Especially if your into long range shooting deer.
Mr. UML
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My farm is classified by the NRCS as a "Preserve" since I have so much dedicated acreage for restoring habitat, in particular, pheasants, turkeys, woodcocks, and ruffed grouse. I have an insane amount of deer here as well - huge ones too. I have no need to go anywhere else.
The Hedgehog
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@Mr. UML Got some photos to share of your muzzleloader? Some blackpowder hunting pics of you with your pride and joy? Dying to see what you end up with and how useful you find it.
My TC ProHunter kills deer just as dead as your Remington can. Doesn't hurt that I know my limitations and try not to take shots that are questionable. Like darkness. It's not life or death for me to feel the need to take that shot.
Nick87
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Oh wow. With that many deer have you ever thought about just getting a little closer? Crossbow seems like it would be a lot of fun?
Mr. UML
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I don't take pictures much, sorry. I'll try to take one once I get my new scope put on.
@Dave N - Your TC ProHunter is a fine weapon. It's not quite a UML / Paramount / Gunwerks-level, but a fine weapon nonetheless. And I don't take shots that are questionable - ever. And as I explained time and time again, I've been able to extend my shot capability as I've improved my optics over time. I am now looking to improve beyond what I have.
@Nick87 - My blind is a fixed emplacement (concrete foundation and all). It's not getting moved. It overlooks 35 acres.
Nick87
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So that's the only place you sit?
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