Name & fee change coming to NM

[noharleyyet]

Much ado about highest bidder premium hunts regardless of residency....less commodity/mo-money

 

[F250]

To hunt on the local National Wildlife Refuge hunters pay a $10.00 fee. Bird watchers and hikers pay NOTHING.

 

[hank4elk]

20 years and the price goes up $10...................................LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

 

[mrcowboy]

I believe that SB5 is heading to the senate finance committee next.
Write the members of the committee and give them your thoughts on this bill. SFC members are as follows:

Senator	George K. Muñoz	4	D	Chair
Senator	Benny Shendo, Jr.	22	D	Vice Chair
Senator	Craig W. Brandt	40	R	Ranking Member
Senator	Pete Campos	8	D	Member
Senator	Roberto "Bobby" J. Gonzales	6	D	Member
Senator	Steve D. Lanier	2	R	Member
Senator	Michael Padilla	14	D	Member
Senator	Jeff Steinborn	36	D	Member
Senator	Nicole Tobiassen	21	R	Member
Senator	Linda M. Trujillo	24	D	Member
Senator	Pat Woods

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Looks like this bill is pretty close to passing the legislature. I raised my concern with hunters and anglers only holding one seat. Seems the NM wildlife orgs aren’t terribly concerned. Pretty dangerous precedent going forward considering what happened in WA and what’s happening CO. Wildlife For All is headquartered in NM, they will dictate those appointments, no doubt. Could pack the commission with anti-hunting activists to push their agenda.

Disclaimer: Not a NM resident, just a concerned individual who hunts there regularly.

 

[mrcowboy]

Looks like this bill is pretty close to passing the legislature. I raised my concern with hunters and anglers only holding one seat. Seems the NM wildlife orgs aren’t terribly concerned. Pretty dangerous precedent going forward considering what happened in WA and what’s happening CO. Wildlife For All is headquartered in NM, they will dictate those appointments, no doubt. Could pack the commission with anti-hunting activists to push their agenda.

Disclaimer: Not a NM resident, just a concerned individual who hunts there regularly.

I guess that I was going to reply to bayoublaster7527 but didn't compose anything. Not certain why LOL. Probably agreeing with the possibility of anti hunting commission.

 

[hank4elk]

NMWF is big sponsor along with Audabon folks. BHA?

Highlight from them is a hunter/fisherman on commish 1st time and wanting funding from legislature.

No mention of outdoor user fee or tax on packs ,boots, etc.

Big mistake getting in bed with Audabon. They love the legislature funding and way in to change depts.
This is how CA & CO have been taken over and governed hunting & fishing.

I do like the 6 yr terms.
Fee increases are too low.
Landowners not happy but I think that is the open waters deal and trespassers.

I do not want the legislative funding. I want a outdoors user fee or tax.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

NMWF is big sponsor along with Audabon folks. BHA?

Highlight from them is a hunter/fisherman on commish 1st time and wanting funding from legislature.

No mention of outdoor user fee or tax on packs ,boots, etc.

Big mistake getting in bed with Audabon. They love the legislature funding and way in to change depts.
This is how CA & CO have been taken over and governed hunting & fishing.

I do like the 6 yr terms.
Fee increases are too low.
Landowners not happy but I think that is the open waters deal and trespassers.

I do not want the legislative funding. I want an outdoors user fee or tax.

Yeah, it was my understanding NMWF wrote the bill basically along with Audubon, WFA, etc. They aren’t concerned about only one hunter or angler seat on commission. Even hosted Kevin Bixby of WFA at a recent event, where Bixby used his platform to take a dig at Randy Newberg. Anti’s will claim this as a huge victory in reimagining wildlife management and replacing the NAM with “coexistence” and “mutualism”. I’d say mountain lion and black bear hunting is done in NM. That’s where they will start.

 

[mrcowboy]

Yeah, it was my understanding NMWF wrote the bill basically along with Audubon, WFA, etc. They aren’t concerned about only one hunter or angler seat on commission. Even hosted Kevin Bixby of WFA at a recent event, where Bixby used his platform to take a dig at Randy Newberg. Anti’s will claim this as a huge victory in reimagining wildlife management and replacing the NAM with “coexistence” and “mutualism”. I’d say mountain lion and black bear hunting is done in NM. That’s where they will start.

Yeah agree with you. WFA believes that wildlife management should be democratic (ballot biology). Wild life management should be based off of sound science. Do we vote to determine what the acceleration due to gravity is? 9.82 m/s^2. No. Perhaps we should determine all our scientific constants this way.

 

[Valley1320]

Yeah, it was my understanding NMWF wrote the bill basically along with Audubon, WFA, etc. They aren’t concerned about only one hunter or angler seat on commission. Even hosted Kevin Bixby of WFA at a recent event, where Bixby used his platform to take a dig at Randy Newberg. Anti’s will claim this as a huge victory in reimagining wildlife management and replacing the NAM with “coexistence” and “mutualism”. I’d say mountain lion and black bear hunting is done in NM. That’s where they will start.

And what's crazy is the amount of hunters especially outfitters going along with this thing and sayings its good

 

[mrcowboy]

And what's crazy is the amount of hunters especially outfitters going along with this thing and sayings its good

I keeping wondering what deal was cut with Kerrie Romero Cox (NM guides and outfitters) and the SB5 coalition? To keep status quo on outfitter tag pools and E plus vouchers for large land owner/outfitters?
That being said the fee adjustments in my opinion were over due. Some good and some bad in this bill. I feel we will regret the allegiances formed in crafting this bill. We better have our act together when they target predator hunting. It's going to happen.

 

[mrcowboy]

Just go to the WFA website. Check out their agenda.

Arizonans Rally Against Hounding—and HB 2552 | Wildlife for All

More than 50 Arizonans rally against hounding in a webinar to support a rulemaking petition to end hound hunting of wildlife in the state.

wildlifeforall.us

Not too happy with NM wildlife Federation at this point. Strange bed fellows the anti's

 

[bayoublaster7527]

What is odd to me was when they were looking to decrease landowner and non-resident tags, there were all these NM hunting org reps on HuntTalk posting long threads making their case. Now that they will be on the wrong end of a 6-1 wildlife commission voting bloc against WFA, not a word…..crickets.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Just go to the WFA website. Check out their agenda.

Arizonans Rally Against Hounding—and HB 2552 | Wildlife for All

More than 50 Arizonans rally against hounding in a webinar to support a rulemaking petition to end hound hunting of wildlife in the state.

wildlifeforall.us

Not too happy with NM wildlife Federation at this point. Strange bed fellows the anti's

Absolutely. Coming to NM shortly. And with only one hunter/angler seat on the 7-seat commission, you’re toast.

 

[Valley1320]

I keeping wondering what deal was cut with Kerrie Romero Cox (NM guides and outfitters) and the SB5 coalition? To keep status quo on outfitter tag pools and E plus vouchers for large land owner/outfitters?
That being said the fee adjustments in my opinion were over due. Some good and some bad in this bill. I feel we will regret the allegiances formed in crafting this bill. We better have our act together when they target predator hunting. It's going to happen.

Gonna make us all poachers

 

[abqbw]

This bill, SB 5 cleared the NM House yesterday on a 42-26 mostly partyline vote. Dems in favor. Next step is back to the senate for concurrence. Odds are really high the bill will hit the Governor’s desk. No one knows if she will sign it. I think she will. This bill has been 8 years in the making. This version is by far the best version. Thank god the governor pocket vetoed the 2023 version. The 2023 version would have been much closer to the anti takeover that is plaguing WA and to a lesser but significant extent CO. Our governor, like all before her, has abused her power over the commission to lock down privatization. But she is on the way out the door when the new commission structure would take place. She might just sign it because everyone in NM hates our game commission system. Imagine if we ever had a governor in NM like WA or CO that puts animal rights above hunting? We would be doomed.

I’m actually happy it passed as a long time New Mexican advocate for public and resident hunting. There are two primary reasons for this. First, it is a really good reform of the game commission appointment and removal process. New Mexico’s current commission system has given us the out-of-this-world privatization system we have. The new commission system with a nominating committee that mirrors Arizona is about as good as could be expected.

Second, I think that where New Mexico is politically right now and the trend on things wildlife this was the best time to do a comprehensive reform that does not handover wildlife regulation to anti forces. I think we really dodged a future bullet if this bill is signed by the governor.

All that said, I went to every senate and house committee meeting except one (3 out of 4) and spoke in opposition to the bill. But my opposition was not about what is in the bill. It was about what was not in the bill. Specifically the greatest wealth based big game tag privatization scheme in any western state was not addressed in any way shape or form. What I unsuccessfully lobbied for (not really lobby because I am not a lobbyist or ever been paid to advocate) was an increase in the nonresident license fees to build a fiscal bridge to selling less nonresident and more resident tags. The NR fees in the bill are well short, $2.3 million in real dollar terms a year, since the last fee increase 20 years ago. But this is not insurmountable because a different bill (HB2 I think) includes $10.5 million over the next three years in general fund GRO money for basically nongame and species of greatest conservation need. As long as the Department can show it spent the new money wisely it will become permanent general fund funding. The department I’m sure will be able to show wise use of the money. NM also created a trust fund in 2023 that generates $2.7 million dollars a year (and growing) for species of greatest conservation need. Freeing up more than enough of our hunting license revenue for a reset of New Mexico’s big game allocation system that favors rich nonresident hunters over middle class residents and nonresidents.

With SB 5 and the new revenue and new commission structure us New Mexican public big game tag advocates will have at least a chance of increasing the share of both resident and nonresident public big game tags. Status quo has meant no chance.

Still, I’m in the process of helping to create a fund to sue the living shit out of the State of New Mexico to get our big game tags back in the public domain where they belong. For both residents and nonresidents.

 

[mrcowboy]

This bill, SB 5 cleared the NM House yesterday on a 42-26 mostly partyline vote. Dems in favor. Next step is back to the senate for concurrence. Odds are really high the bill will hit the Governor’s desk. No one knows if she will sign it. I think she will. This bill has been 8 years in the making. This version is by far the best version. Thank god the governor pocket vetoed the 2023 version. The 2023 version would have been much closer to the anti takeover that is plaguing WA and to a lesser but significant extent CO. Our governor, like all before her, has abused her power over the commission to lock down privatization. But she is on the way out the door when the new commission structure would take place. She might just sign it because everyone in NM hates our game commission system. Imagine if we ever had a governor in NM like WA or CO that puts animal rights above hunting? We would be doomed.

I’m actually happy it passed as a long time New Mexican advocate for public and resident hunting. There are two primary reasons for this. First, it is a really good reform of the game commission appointment and removal process. New Mexico’s current commission system has given us the out-of-this-world privatization system we have. The new commission system with a nominating committee that mirrors Arizona is about as good as could be expected.

Second, I think that where New Mexico is politically right now and the trend on things wildlife this was the best time to do a comprehensive reform that does not handover wildlife regulation to anti forces. I think we really dodged a future bullet if this bill is signed by the governor.

All that said, I went to every senate and house committee meeting except one (3 out of 4) and spoke in opposition to the bill. But my opposition was not about what is in the bill. It was about what was not in the bill. Specifically the greatest wealth based big game tag privatization scheme in any western state was not addressed in any way shape or form. What I unsuccessfully lobbied for (not really lobby because I am not a lobbyist or ever been paid to advocate) was an increase in the nonresident license fees to build a fiscal bridge to selling less nonresident and more resident tags. The NR fees in the bill are well short, $2.3 million in real dollar terms a year, since the last fee increase 20 years ago. But this is not insurmountable because a different bill (HB2 I think) includes $10.5 million over the next three years in general fund GRO money for basically nongame and species of greatest conservation need. As long as the Department can show it spent the new money wisely it will become permanent general fund funding. The department I’m sure will be able to show wise use of the money. NM also created a trust fund in 2023 that generates $2.7 million dollars a year (and growing) for species of greatest conservation need. Freeing up more than enough of our hunting license revenue for a reset of New Mexico’s big game allocation system that favors rich nonresident hunters over middle class residents and nonresidents.

With SB 5 and the new revenue and new commission structure us New Mexican public big game tag advocates will have at least a chance of increasing the share of both resident and nonresident public big game tags. Status quo has meant no chance.

Still, I’m in the process of helping to create a fund to sue the living shit out of the State of New Mexico to get our big game tags back in the public domain where they belong. For both residents and nonresidents.

I still dislike the flavor of the coalition. WFA was in neighboring AZ this winter trying to eliminate hound hunting. I'm not a hound hunter but appreciate it. The removal of these types of hunts further erodes hunting in general as a management tool for game and fish departments. If you don't like hunting, then don't hunt. I think golf is stupid and don't enjoy it, so I don't golf. But I'm not actively trying to close golf courses. Maybe I should?, waste of land and water. Lol. Who from NM wildlife Fed is sleeping with someone from WFA or Audubon? Lol.

 

[Valley1320]

I still dislike the flavor of the coalition. WFA was in neighboring AZ this winter trying to eliminate hound hunting. I'm not a hound hunter but appreciate it. The removal of these types of hunts further erodes hunting in general as a management tool for game and fish departments. If you don't like hunting, then don't hunt. I think golf is stupid and don't enjoy it, so I don't golf. But I'm not actively trying to close golf courses. Maybe I should?, waste of land and water. Lol. Who from NM wildlife Fed is sleeping with someone from WFA or Audubon? Lol.

 

[hank4elk]

Who is not is the ?

E-plus did not get discussed because it is not due for review this year.

This bill could give us a breather from the assault.
Get some daylight onto Center for Biological Diversity getting inside. Thanks NMWF ,LOL.

To often NM gets bills killed by overloading the bill with side issues. Then the problem never gets ahead.
The problem with a part time legislature. To much spare time eating with the lobbyists.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

This bill, SB 5 cleared the NM House yesterday on a 42-26 mostly partyline vote. Dems in favor. Next step is back to the senate for concurrence. Odds are really high the bill will hit the Governor’s desk. No one knows if she will sign it. I think she will. This bill has been 8 years in the making. This version is by far the best version. Thank god the governor pocket vetoed the 2023 version. The 2023 version would have been much closer to the anti takeover that is plaguing WA and to a lesser but significant extent CO. Our governor, like all before her, has abused her power over the commission to lock down privatization. But she is on the way out the door when the new commission structure would take place. She might just sign it because everyone in NM hates our game commission system. Imagine if we ever had a governor in NM like WA or CO that puts animal rights above hunting? We would be doomed.

I’m actually happy it passed as a long time New Mexican advocate for public and resident hunting. There are two primary reasons for this. First, it is a really good reform of the game commission appointment and removal process. New Mexico’s current commission system has given us the out-of-this-world privatization system we have. The new commission system with a nominating committee that mirrors Arizona is about as good as could be expected.

Second, I think that where New Mexico is politically right now and the trend on things wildlife this was the best time to do a comprehensive reform that does not handover wildlife regulation to anti forces. I think we really dodged a future bullet if this bill is signed by the governor.

All that said, I went to every senate and house committee meeting except one (3 out of 4) and spoke in opposition to the bill. But my opposition was not about what is in the bill. It was about what was not in the bill. Specifically the greatest wealth based big game tag privatization scheme in any western state was not addressed in any way shape or form. What I unsuccessfully lobbied for (not really lobby because I am not a lobbyist or ever been paid to advocate) was an increase in the nonresident license fees to build a fiscal bridge to selling less nonresident and more resident tags. The NR fees in the bill are well short, $2.3 million in real dollar terms a year, since the last fee increase 20 years ago. But this is not insurmountable because a different bill (HB2 I think) includes $10.5 million over the next three years in general fund GRO money for basically nongame and species of greatest conservation need. As long as the Department can show it spent the new money wisely it will become permanent general fund funding. The department I’m sure will be able to show wise use of the money. NM also created a trust fund in 2023 that generates $2.7 million dollars a year (and growing) for species of greatest conservation need. Freeing up more than enough of our hunting license revenue for a reset of New Mexico’s big game allocation system that favors rich nonresident hunters over middle class residents and nonresidents.

With SB 5 and the new revenue and new commission structure us New Mexican public big game tag advocates will have at least a chance of increasing the share of both resident and nonresident public big game tags. Status quo has meant no chance.

Still, I’m in the process of helping to create a fund to sue the living shit out of the State of New Mexico to get our big game tags back in the public domain where they belong. For both residents and nonresidents.

All this about decreasing non-resident tags and not a single concern about only one hunter/angler seat on the commission? With Wildlife For All flexing their muscle, co-writing the bill…..