Gastro Gnome - Eat Better Wherever

MT Sheep rancher fuggs sportsman over

Bambistew

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 10, 2002
Messages
7,739
Location
Chugiak, AK
This was in the Montana Standard today. I'm aware of one sheep rancher in the Ruby/Gravley range, does anyone know of any other except the 'big one' out of Dillion? This is a friggn load of crap!

Bighorns on the move to the Highlands

By Nick Gevock, of The Montana Standard - 02/01/2007
State biologists captured 18 bighorn sheep Wednesday just southwest of Ruby Reservoir and transplanted them to the Highlands, south of Butte, to keep them from mixing with domestic sheep.

A team from New Zealand swooped down on the bighorns in helicopters and net gunned them in the morning, said Bob Brannon, Sheridan biologist with the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks. The crew tied the animals’ feet and put blindfolds on them so samples could be collected to check their health, then they were loaded onto livestock trailers for the trip to Soap Gulch on the west side of the Highlands.

The bighorns are part of a herd that was transplanted in 2003 and 2004 into the Greenhorn Mountains near Alder. The sheep have survived fairly well and spread out, moving to the Sweetwater Hills and into the Ruby Mountains.

However, the state’s plan for the transplant dictated that bighorns would not be allowed to spread into the Ruby Mountains. Sheep ranchers in the area fear the bighorns could interbreed with their livestock or spread disease.

“Those provisions called for us to manage for sheep in the Greenhorns and if they got out of there, then we would either try to remove them or kill them,” Brannon said.

The plan was controversial.

The Gallatin Wildlife Association of Bozeman criticizing it as giving too much say to area ranchers.

But FWP defended the plan, saying it was necessary to give local ranchers the authority to kill bighorns or demand they be removed if any were to be released in an area with active sheep ranching.

“We’re fulfilling our agreement,” said Kurt Alt, FWP southwestern Montana biologist. “This was in the Ruby Mountains, which is clearly outside what the environmental assessment initially addressed.” Biologists have been trying to capture the sheep for months. But they’ve been living in higher altitude terrain far too rugged for a capture operation.

Lately, however, the herd has been milling around the reservoir, making it easy for a helicopter to get to them, Alt said.

The 18 sheep captured included three rams, nine ewes and six lambs. One of the lambs died during the transport, Alt said.

The herd included 24 bighorns, six of which weren’t able to be captured. Biologists will continue to search for them and attempt to capture them.

If they can’t be captured, they’ll be killed, Brannon said.

The sheep were taken to an area that used to have a bighorn herd numbering in the hundreds that suffered a massive die off from disease several years ago. The Highlands herd has struggled to recover.

This year Butte FWP Biologist Vanna Boccadori counted a mere 13 bighorns in the Highlands, so the transplant could help boost the herd and help it recover, she said. Eight of the nine ewes were fitted with radio collars so their movements can be tracked.

Reporter Nick Gevock may be reached via e-mail at [email protected].
 
Crappy story! The ranchers are worried about the bighorns spreading disease to their sheep? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Is this on public land?
 
Yup, I'll give them credit for that!
One of the lambs died during the transport, Alt said.

I'd be surprised if that's all that die due to the stress. Ever hear of "capture myopathy" ?

"There are four categories of capture myopathy according to the way the condition presents itself. These are PERACUTE, ACUTE, SUBACUTE and CHRONIC.

PERACUTE CAPTURE MYOPATHY

Death may occur in a matter of minutes due to low blood pH, acidosis, potassium release from damaged muscles and heart failure. There are few post-mortem signs.

ACUTE CAPTURE MYOPATHY

This is a less severe form of the above with the animal lingering before death. Muscle rupture may occur and the animal, if able to stand, will be ataxic. The condition could be confused with Enzootic Ataxia. Dearth occurs in 24 - 48 hrs.

SUB-ACUTE CAPTURE MYOPATHY

Again a less severe form of the above with the acidosis causing muscle and kidney damage. The urine may be a dark brown colour. Recumbent animals often have their necks twisted back - known as "Wryneck" in New Zealand. Death takes a few days.

CHRONIC CAPTURE MYOPATHY

These animal survive several days or months but will often die suddenly from a heart attack.

TREATMENT

Prevention is the only treatment for this condition. Once the condition starts it is always fatal. "

http://www.diaa.org/captmyop.htm
 
The sheep that stay away from the sheep operation are way better off that their removing the wild sheep that are coming in contact with the domestics.

It's sad but when the wild sheep come in contact with domestic they almost always come down with pasturella. sp. Anyway it's the only answer to the two species coming in contact. Have FANAWS buy the rancher out, that would solve this one conflict.

Hey Big Head Ramitupyrarse get on it here's a issue for you to work on.
 
FWP agreed to these conditions prior to reintroduction. You guy's want them to re-neg on their agreement?

We would love to buyout the Joe Helle domestic sheep allotment if he is willing. It's going to take a fair amount of cash however. Anyone interested in a 1 in 200 chance at an Alaska Dall Sheep hunt?

This is the part of the story that really concerns me.......

"This year Butte FWP Biologist Vanna Boccadori counted a mere 13 bighorns in the Highlands"

What's up with that? Either they missed counting a lot of sheep or we are losing a bunch to something.
 
The count in the Highlands wasn't much higher last year was it?

I think it was a tough situation, on one hand its awesome that they reintroduced the sheep a historic area, but on the other they had to have known that they woudn't stay put and would eventually roam out of thier 'core' area.

BHR, do you know how many if any have stayed in the core area in the Greenhorns? If the area can't sustain a huntable population, much less a viable population due to conflicts with the domestic sheep, was it really worth the effort? The thousands upon thousands of dollars spent on the reintroduction, all to end up with a bunch of dead sheep?

Also do you know of any other sheep rancher in the area?

Whats the story on the 1-200 dall sheep hunt?
 
If FWP knew then what they know now the transplant would not have happened. Kind of like Iraq I guess, hind sight is 20-20. No other sheep grazer in the area other than Joe. Not sure what the count in the Highlands was last year...we've been dumping a lot of sheep in there over the last several years.....there has been some poaching problems......disease or predators could also be a factor. $100 buys you a 1 in 200 chance at a Dall Sheep with Lazy J Bar O Outfitters for our fundraiser. Need not be present to win.
 
Hey Bambistew,
How did a sheep rancher "fugg" sportsmen if the management plan was carried out as agreed to from the beginning?
As mentioned before, anyone with any common sense could see trouble coming with this transplant. It probably never shoud have occured.There are just way too many domestic sheep in that area and I'm sure time and money could have been better spent elsewhere.
 
I have trouble with transplants anywhere close to a sheep allotment. Too many seem to turn out badly. If the rancher won't sell his permit, what about getting him to convert the permit to cattle? For the few die-hard sheep ranchers I've met this would be a tough sell, but probably not as tough as a buy out and closing of the permit. I don't know how different the USFS grazing permit system is, but closing a permit on BLM can be a difficult process (protests, appeals, hearings etc.).
 
Is there actually any money to be made in sheep ranching??????????

Who the hell eats that chit???

Lets just get out our wool from other countires just like everything else.
 
Is there actually any money to be made in sheep ranching??????????

Who the hell eats that chit???

Lets just get out our wool from other countires just like everything else.

Oh hell yes! Miller is one of thier best Patrons!hump
 
Is there actually any money to be made in sheep ranching??????????

Only because of the US gummint wool subsidy the sheep ranchers get. That's in addition to subsidized grazing on public lands.

Then they bitch when wildlife comes in contact with their sheep.

To be fair, I always thought MT FWP made a big mistake when they agreed to this demand---" the state’s plan for the transplant dictated that bighorns would not be allowed to spread into the Ruby Mountains."

If the members of MT FNAWS had any balls they wouldn't have let that deal be made. They're a bunch of spineless wimps when it comes to standing up to the welfare ranchers.
 
Ithaca,

"Spineless" is pretending to ignore those who continually kick your sorry liberal ass in debate just so you don't have to respond and look like even more of a fool. At least us "spineless wimps" have accomplished a few positive things for wildlife. Other than whining on the net what have you done of late? Don't see you at any FNAWS functions, why is that?
 
Since Ithaca can't "see" BHR...;)

Ithaca,

"Spineless" is pretending to ignore those who continually kick your sorry liberal ass in debate just so you don't have to respond and look like even more of a fool. At least us "spineless wimps" have accomplished a few positive things for wildlife. Other than whining on the net what have you done of late? Don't see you at any FNAWS functions, why is that?
 
Oak

stirthepot.gif
 

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
113,581
Messages
2,025,902
Members
36,237
Latest member
SCOOTER848
Back
Top