Mountaindewguy
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So, what can we do to help? Is there anything that we can legitimately do to keep this from being implemented?
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Make it antlerless only on private, cut either sex tags 50% on public until “objective” is reached.Bright side! This could reduce the NR elk hunters in other parts of the state....as there will be less stripping off of the elk tags from the combos.
Bright side! Cough, cough...It will reduce the pressure on the public due to a 50% reduction allotted permits via the draw.
I can see this getting passed with ease as it is actually a brilliant plan. I sure as hell didn't see this coming.
Well that is science and the "objective" has nothing to do with the science. The "objective" has always been the hammer held by the private/profit group with the public being the nail!Make it antlerless only on private, cut either sex tags 50% on public until “objective” is reached.
Bet “objective” would climb by a bunch.
Unless you know a way of influencing the current administration and legislative majority that has been sending clear signals for a long time they are going to do whatever benefits large landowners, no.So, what can we do to help? Is there anything that we can legitimately do to keep this from being implemented?
Yeah, unfortunately that is now the trend. Other than a "Mostly Peaceful Protest" to occur,,, I don't see the 30 day public comment period doing anything except being ignored and this will pass with ease.Unless you know a way of influencing the current administration and legislative majority that has been sending clear signals for a long time they are going to do whatever benefits large landowners, no.
One idea maybe start with an elected commission that cares about public comment if we are going to make political decisions on wildlife management than they should probably be somewhat popularWhat would the Initiative say and set? Genuine question.
After thinking about this, One thing sportsman should insist on is that the licenses good on private land be put on a draw. Even if the draw is first choice is a guaranteed license. If you can hunt private land with a general license, landowners, friends of landowners and clients will all be putting in for public tags so they won't have let an elk go or be sneaky when the elk jumps the fence. This will kill the draw odds for the public tag.Bright side! Cough, cough...It will reduce the pressure on the public due to a 50% reduction allotted permits via the draw.
I think that you are spot on! If they are going to open it up to general, then a unlimited "Private Land Only" permit would sure be a good idea. If they want to go down this rabbit hole, make the permit unit specific as with the public LE permits.After thinking about this, One thing sportsman should insist on is that the licenses good on private land be put on a draw. Even if the draw is first choice is a guaranteed license. If you can hunt private land with a general license, landowners, friends of landowners and clients will all be putting in for public tags so they won't have let an elk go or be sneaky when the elk jumps the fence. This will kill the draw odds for the public tag.
#endthefwpcommissionOne idea maybe start with an elected commission that cares about public comment if we are going to make political decisions on wildlife management than they should probably be somewhat popular
At this point the FWP commission has had nothing to do with these proposals. This latest round of nonsense is on Greg and Hank.
You are correct but when the public comment comes in overwhelmingly against this proposal and it will, how do you suspect they will vote? Do you have any confidence this won’t be implemented? I personally know one of the commissioners. I plan to shoot my shot but you guys can smash my left nut on YouTube if this isn’t implemented. Shoulder seasons on public lands vote is exhibit 1 for me on this. The bulls are screwed. Public land bull hunting even more screwed in these unitsAt this point the FWP commission has had nothing to do with these proposals. This latest round of nonsense is on Greg and Hank.
In reality, I think that opening up the private to general elk would be really tough on the BM program. As stated, elk travel and the outfitters will be out to shore up as much ground as possible. Then there are the private leasing of land by various hunting groups or parties. Lastly, there will be those landowners, family and friends that will now be able to hunt bulls on their own land without going though the limited permit process. Mule deer, whitetail and antelope are one thing but throw elk into the mix and it will be a game changer.I have a constructive idea. Allow for permitted, not general licensed, cow hunts on Type 1 BMA in these proposed districts. Hopefully this would encourage private land owners to put land into the program, in turn, open up public hunting opportunity on private lands. MUST be Type 1 BMA. The landowner can't restrict the sign in process. Try THAT for about 3-4 years to see what the population does. It's an intermediate step to Worsech's ill-advised, radical idea.
Personal frustration, knowing that my region 1 Commissioner is Pat Tabor, a guide and MOGA crony. I don't think calling him will get a lick of support.
Only reason for outfitters to shore up land would be if this plan included taking bulls on private. My idea would only allow cows to be taken on BMA Type 1 through permitted licensing, not general tags, not all private land in a district. Outfitters vs BMA. We need the deck stacked in favor of BMA, this would do that.In reality, I think that opening up the private to general elk would be really tough on the BM program. As stated, elk travel and the outfitters will be out to shore up as much ground as possible. Then there are the private leasing of land by various hunting groups or parties. Lastly, there will be those landowners, family and friends that will now be able to hunt bulls on their own land without going though the limited permit process. Mule deer, whitetail and antelope are one thing but throw elk into the mix and it will be a game changer.
So the FWP Commission will not be responsible for approving these rules/changes by the Department as provided by statute?At this point the FWP commission has had nothing to do with these proposals. This latest round of nonsense is on Greg and Hank.
I totally understand and agree with your idea if this was actually about trying to reduce the elk population in these units. Unfortunately this is a wolf in sheep's clothing deal and has very little to do with reducing the elk numbers.Only reason for outfitters to shore up land would be if this plan included taking bulls on private. My idea would only allow cows to be taken on BMA Type 1 through permitted licensing, not general tags, not all private land in a district. Outfitters vs BMA. We need the deck stacked in favor of BMA, this would do that.