Montana nonresident landowner get elk tags every year?

[schmalts]

There's a TV hunting personality who has gotten a pretty hard to draw elk tag for a few years, and so has his wife. How does a couple who's residence is Iowa get a limited draw tag with low odds with zero points and defeat the normal draw odds?

 

[Gerald Martin]

Some folks are luckier than others…

Of course that wink is coming from a guy who’s drawn more than his “fair” share of good MT tags.

 

[Schaaf]

Rhymes with pee and plasticity?

 

[Schaaf]

Not exactly sure where their permit is but I know of several districts that have enough permits that the amount of landowners applying in the 10% pool of permits is less than the quota so they’re effectively guaranteed the permit. They still have to get the general license though.

Decent odds they’re pulling something shady though.

 

[DFS]

It can be done but it probably doesn’t need to be talked about on the internet.

 

[Ought Six]

Gaming the system. Look at the draw odds for that unit for NR land owner (I’m not going to put the info on the internet).

 

[Pagosa]

I had heard they were leasing the ranch for hunting at 70k per year in Region 7. Didn't know they owned property also

 

[R.K.]

Gaming the system. Look at the draw odds for that unit for NR land owner (I’m not going to put the info on the internet).

If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be. Shine a little light on that creeping shadow.

Also- would this be the hunting personality couple found guilty of game violations in Nebraska?

 

[Nameless Range]

Between LO preference and the 454 program in many districts it’s basically a guarantee.

 

[Ought Six]

If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be. Shine a little light on that creeping shadow.

Also- would this be the hunting personality couple found guilty of game violations in Nebraska?

7 NR LOs applied, 7 drew, quota of 100 tags. But also this:

Between LO preference and the 454 program in many districts it’s basically a guarantee.

 

[antlerradar]

Not exactly sure where their permit is but I know of several districts that have enough permits that the amount of landowners applying in the 10% pool of permits is less than the quota so they’re effectively guaranteed the permit. They still have to get the general license though.

Decent odds they’re pulling something shady though.

Don't know if this is what they are doing, but if they are hunting with an outfitter they can get the outfitter bonus points and be all but guaranteed to draw the general license.

My not be shady, but it sure smells like BS.

 

[rogerthat]

Where the system goes wrong in Montana is allowing the landowner tag to be good unit wide. This couple that is getting landowner preference tags(they are undersubscribed for nr landowners vs tough draw as nr) is minority owner in a ranch a solid distance away from where they are hunting. They should have to hunt their ranch and only their ranch.

 

[schmalts]

Where the system goes wrong in Montana is allowing the landowner tag to be good unit wide. This couple that is getting landowner preference tags(they are undersubscribed for nr landowners vs tough draw as nr) is minority owner in a ranch a solid distance away from where they are hunting. They should have to hunt their ranch and only their ranch.

So the law states they don't have to hunt on thier own land?

 

[338win]

 

[huntin24/7]

There should be no non resident landowner tags…anywhere….ever. They can apply like anyone else. Pretty gross in my opinion they can do this.

 

[Nick87]

There should be no non resident landowner tags…anywhere….ever. They can apply like anyone else. Pretty gross in my opinion they can do this.

Should there even be resident landowner tags?

 

[mtmuley]

Should there even be resident landowner tags?

This is a tough one for me. I know someone that has had three mule deer permits in the last ten years for a unit I apply for. I have 20 bonus points. Tough to choke down sometimes. mtmuley

 

[rogerthat]

This is a tough one for me. I know someone that has had three mule deer permits in the last ten years for a unit I apply for. I have 20 bonus points. Tough to choke down sometimes. mtmuley

In my mind it would be a lot easier to understand if they could only hunt their land but it’s tough when you run into them on the public lands hunting for their trophy of a lifetime that they get to hunt way more often than the average person

 

[mtmuley]

In my mind it would be a lot easier to understand if they could only hunt their land but it’s tough when you run into them on the public lands hunting for their trophy of a lifetime that they get to hunt way more often than the average person

Yep. I know of another landowner that draws the permit I speak of fairly regularly that has killed most of their bucks on adjoining FS. They have much better access than non landowners. mtmuley

 

[WapitiBob]

So the law states they don't have to hunt on thier own land?

If they're leasing a ranch, they're likely using the ranch's LO tags.