wapiti11
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Big deduction in either sex tags and ewe tags in districts 482 (second year at 5 either sex), 680 and 622.
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It’s a disease problem, not a hunting problem. A handful more deadheads laying in the Breaks vs. in someone’s trophy room wouldn’t make a difference. And we will wash, rinse, and repeat this cycle as long as we continue to let people do whatever they GD want wherever they GD want to do it.Screwing up the draw a couple of years ago and then deciding to issue the excess permits isn’t looking like it was a very wise decision now.
I wasn't implying that issuing the extra permits is the main reason that sheep numbers are way down. In response to your comment though, do bighorns get lungworms from domestic sheep? It is something I hadn't heard of until this year.It’s a disease problem, not a hunting problem. A handful more deadheads laying in the Breaks vs. in someone’s trophy room wouldn’t make a difference. And we will wash, rinse, and repeat this cycle as long as we continue to let people do whatever they GD want wherever they GD want to do it.
I wasn't implying that issuing the extra permits is the main reason that sheep numbers are way down. In response to your comment though, do bighorns get lungworms from domestic sheep? It is something I hadn't heard of until this year.
Lungworm is not the primary concern. Bacteria is.I wasn't implying that issuing the extra permits is the main reason that sheep numbers are way down. In response to your comment though, do bighorns get lungworms from domestic sheep? It is something I hadn't heard of until this year.
The domestic sheep farming industry must be the best at lobbying. I’ve never been able to understand how they are so powerful and wild sheep don’t seem to matter. I know you are much more knowledgeable on this than the rest of us are. If some disease like this threatened grizzlies or wolves, the feds would be all over it. It’s so frustrating as someone whose lifelong dream has been to hunt bighorns, knowing that I will never get the chance.It’s a disease problem, not a hunting problem. A handful more deadheads laying in the Breaks vs. in someone’s trophy room wouldn’t make a difference. And we will wash, rinse, and repeat this cycle as long as we continue to let people do whatever they GD want wherever they GD want to do it.
What I've always said is that if something was being permitted on public land or in someone's backyard here in Colorado that could wipe out 70% of the White River or Bears Ears elk herd, there would be a hell of a lot more action being taken than is currently being done on the sheep conflict.The domestic sheep farming industry must be the best at lobbying. I’ve never been able to understand how they are so powerful and wild sheep don’t seem to matter. I know you are much more knowledgeable on this than the rest of us are. If some disease like this threatened grizzlies or wolves, the feds would be all over it. It’s so frustrating as someone whose lifelong dream has been to hunt bighorns, knowing that I will never get the chance.
I presume you know the back story on the wild sheep or lack there of in your backyard in the Gravelys/Greenhorns? If not, the saga is worth the reserch. How one ranch owner can dictate the management of wild sheep is crazy.The domestic sheep farming industry must be the best at lobbying. I’ve never been able to understand how they are so powerful and wild sheep don’t seem to matter. I know you are much more knowledgeable on this than the rest of us are. If some disease like this threatened grizzlies or wolves, the feds would be all over it. It’s so frustrating as someone whose lifelong dream has been to hunt bighorns, knowing that I will never get the chance.
Most ungulates get lungworms. It is not uncommon. Cattle, bison, elk, deer, sheep, goats, etc. There are several genera and species, but they don’t often cause mortality in and of themselves. They do cause lung irritation and may make individuals more susceptible to the secondary infections @Oak mentioned, which are much more lethal for wild sheep.I wasn't implying that issuing the extra permits is the main reason that sheep numbers are way down. In response to your comment though, do bighorns get lungworms from domestic sheep? It is something I hadn't heard of until this year.
I do not. Must have been before my time. I do know that there is a shit ton of domestic sheep up there every summer. I would love to hear the story if you have time.I presume you know the back story on the wild sheep or lack there of in your backyard in the Gravelys/Greenhorns? If not, the saga is worth the reserch. How one ranch owner can dictate the management of wild sheep is crazy.
The best part is W$F partnered with them, and was selling W$F logo'd merch made with their wool...
Makes you wonder about the guy who was going to take his gloves off and fight, yet he seemingly just swapped them for a pair of velcro ones.
More conservation dollarz from auction tags and backpack races will get it done!
Here's a link to start your research.I do not. Must have been before my time. I do know that there is a shit ton of domestic sheep up there every summer. I would love to hear the story if you have time.
May the grizzlies eat them all.Here's a link to start your research.
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‘Lost art’: Southwest Montana ranchers hold on to sheep grazing tradition
Grazing large sheep herds in the mountains is a dwindling practice, and the Helles are one of the last families who do so in Montana. As a result the Hellewww.bozemandailychronicle.com
May the grizzlies eat them all.
I ran into one of Helle's sheep herders running a bunch through the notch, when I was scouting for mountain goats. He was worried about grizzlies and wolves and asked if I had seen any. He was from South America, Bolivia I think. We had a hard time understanding each other, and I don't think he understood what I was looking for. His little sheep dogs were impressive animals, keeping 500 to a 1000 sheep in a tight little bunch.May the grizzlies eat them all.