Montana HB 907

[Elky Welky]

It was a good hearing. A united front of local sportsmen’s groups, volunteers, individual hunters (including Andrew Posewitz, Jim’s son), lifelong Montana ranchers, veterans, past proponents of 635 (including Andrew McKean and MWF), and even someone with dire warnings from the tragedy that is New Mexico, showed up in support.

Mostly just paid lobbyists advocating on the other side. MOGA, PERC, etc.

The legislature may not heed the public on this one, but I’m proud to have been alongside everyone who stood up today.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Mostly just paid lobbyists advocating on the other side. MOGA, PERC, (Gerald)etc

FIFY elky

 

[Forkyfinder]

Until we legislate to reasonably cap nonresidents in each region establish technology limits and manage per region, all the stuff we argue about is bull chit. Down the toilet bowl we go.

Do you want to see more NR land ownership of traditional propertieS? less likely to enroll in block management? Or accelerant on killing block management?

Before opponents say something swell about 635 - the true benefit is that you can hunt a permit unit, every year, with access agreements "on your property" and then subsidize you drawing permits to a higher rate than R and R LO. Lets say youre in a very high demand unit, say 380, you hunt "on your property" via an eha and let some pleb shoot a cow. You get an extra BP and then can choose NOT get a NR LO PP tag and then hunt all over the unit at a higher rate than R, R LO, or NR.

If 635 does not exist - the NR LO must draw a tag via pref points before getting entered into LE unit draw and gets no BP that could or could not be used with a NR LO PP gen tag.

 

[DFS]

Do you want to see more NR land ownership of traditional propertieS? less likely to enroll in block management? Or accelerant on killing block management?

Before opponents say something swell about 635 - the true benefit is that you can hunt a permit unit, every year, with access agreements you on your property that subsidize you drawing permits to a higher rate than R and R LO. Lets say youre in a very high demand unit, say 380, you hunt "on your property" via an eha and let some pleb shoot a cow. You get an extra BP and then can choose NOT get a NR LO PP tag and then hunt all over the unit at a higher rate than R, R LO, or NR.

If 635 does not exist - the NR LO must draw a tag via pref points before getting entered into LE unit draw and gets no BP that could or could not be used with a NR LO PP gen tag.

I shouldn’t have entered into this conversation my post is deleted. Frustrated at the current situation and I can see where things are headed.

 

[cgasner1]

I shouldn’t have entered into this conversation my post is deleted. Frustrated at the current situation and I can see where things are headed.

It seemed spot on to me

 

[Forkyfinder]

“There are more serious threats to hunting than a handful of anti-hunters making a living off of their advocacy. The most ominous threat is carried by those who would create the equivalent of a new royalty of the hunt in North America.” and “To be true to our heritage, we must reject the notion of securing advantages in the hunt by denying opportunity to others. If we have a cancer in our collective body, this is it.”

 

[Labman]

No formal amendments were presented. At the very end the bill sponsor mentioned there might be amendments if it makes it through committee.

@Labman, was that you that testified asking for the R LO inclusion? If so, you did well.

Yes sir, it was. Thanks .

 

[Elky Welky]

The bill was tabled 6-5. Bad news? Status quo from two years ago doesn't change, a special few wealthy NR landowners still get their handouts, the wealthy get what they want and to manipulate the world to their desires, due process, truth, and basic decency are out the window, blah blah... honestly what else is new in the world these days?

But the good news? Today showed there are still many Montanans with integrity that remember who we are, and are not going to standby idly and support selling out our state.

We stood up, and I take great solace in that.

 

[Forkyfinder]

The bill was tabled 6-5. Bad news? Status quo from two years ago doesn't change, a special few wealthy NR landowners still get their handouts, the wealthy get what they want and to manipulate the world to their desires, due process, truth, and basic decency are out the window, blah blah... honestly what else is new in the world these days?

But the good news? Today showed there are still many Montanans with integrity that remember who we are, and are not going to standby idly and support selling out our state.

We stood up, and I take great solace in that.

Let the record show that a legislator (Greg Hertz) thinks Rep Sullivan should be seeking the opinions of people she wasnt even elected to represent. Repub or Dem. Supporter or oppontent of 635/907.... she owes it to the people she represents to seek their opinions - not someone who doesnt live here.

If those legislators did more of that and less listening to lobbyists hand waving and peddling children, disabled, and heroes as pawns for political gain - Montana might be a good place a little while longer.

 

[Elky Welky]

If those legislators did more of that and less listening to lobbyists hand waving and peddling children, disabled, and heroes as pawns for political gain - Montana might be a good place a little while longer.

I disagree a little here Forky. We're still a good place and will still be a good place in spite of politicians doing politician things. It was a good hearing. The process did work how it was supposed to, even if the results are sad. But I'm certainly not giving up on the state I was born and raised in, and like I said earlier, I was proud to stand in good company today. I know those good people aren't going to give up either. We live to fight another day.

This wasn't a bill MT-BHA worked to bring forth, but of course we were going to support it once we found out about it and it was introduced--especially after working so hard to keep 635 from becoming law in the first place. But the world didn't end after we lost this fight last session, and many good bills have been making their way through this session that I've been way more invested in. I'm hopeful I can be bringing good news to this forum very soon. Stay tuned.