Yeah but did he have a $10,000 generator sitting in his driveway so he didn’t have to ask his neighbors for help.
Montana General Season Structure Proposal
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Yeah but did he have a $10,000 generator sitting in his driveway so he didn’t have to ask his neighbors for help.
SAJ-99
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Round numbers, I bet you get around $1,000,000 from NRs that turn in the combo tag for the 80% refund.
Maybe tap into some of that sweet, sweet marijuana money. Or the General Account, so the “as a tax paying Montanan” has some validity.
Other than that, pick a season/weapon NR could be rev neutral.
Here's what I know, this guy didn't bitch about the weather in Montana...or the price of a fuggin' deer and elk tag.
He also shoveled his own snow and heated his house with larch and fir (google it, tinhorn).
Not any more, live in Wyoming but lived in Montana from 1968-2000. Oh, yeah, just bought my deer and elk tags for the 44th straight year in Montana. Should I cry about it because I paid $748.76 for that, points, and applying for special elk and deer permits?
Lived here all my life. I dislike winter more and more every year. REALLY dislike it when coyote prices are shit. Of course my nearest wind block for our place is about 4 miles away
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Shit...I'd offer to help him shovel snow, pack firewood into the house, split and stack it, mow his yard, etc. and he'd all but run me off.
Had a huge garden every year, including when he passed away in 2000. Died at the kitchen table reading the paper and drinking a cup of coffee, not a bad way to go, IMO.
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Insult and appendage measuring threads are a dime a dozen around this forum. Ya’ll mind getting a room on one of those?
BuzzH
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I would offer up some suggestions on Montana deer management, but you have life by the horns...so, I'm out.
What would I know about deer hunting in Montana anyway, I mean it's not like I've done it for 4.5 decades or anything?
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We looked at the effects of trying to reduce NR pressure.
From purely a harvest perspective and not even
bringing the financial aspect into consideration, reducing NR numbers without including R harvest/hunting pressure doesn’t have enough scale to make much difference.
For those who say limiting NR’s is the solution, what’s the acceptable number of NR’s?
Under the NR cap of 17,000 elk/deer combos and 6,600 deer only combos there’s a combined 40,600 NR deer or elk licenses.
Reduced price OTC NR tags for Come Home to Hunt, Montana Native, add on Youth tags combine for about another 3500 hunters with @7000 licenses.
The rest are mostly antlerless elk and deer licenses.
How much would we have to limit NR numbers to affect harvest rates without including Residents?
From purely a harvest perspective and not even
bringing the financial aspect into consideration, reducing NR numbers without including R harvest/hunting pressure doesn’t have enough scale to make much difference.
For those who say limiting NR’s is the solution, what’s the acceptable number of NR’s?
Under the NR cap of 17,000 elk/deer combos and 6,600 deer only combos there’s a combined 40,600 NR deer or elk licenses.
Reduced price OTC NR tags for Come Home to Hunt, Montana Native, add on Youth tags combine for about another 3500 hunters with @7000 licenses.
The rest are mostly antlerless elk and deer licenses.
How much would we have to limit NR numbers to affect harvest rates without including Residents?
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Gerald Martin
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Your perspective on deer hunting is helpful. The back and forth of insults doesn’t really help convince anyone of anything regardless of what argument is being advanced.
BuzzH
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You already know what to do...quit listening to the whiners and get it done.
You aren't going to please them, waste of time even trying to.
Going to take non resident tags going unsold before any change is made by fwp
BuzzH
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Try harder...but I hear you, and understand.
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Don’t worry. You’re well on the way to having the game shot down to low enough numbers that NR’s won’t congregate over there as much. See, hunter self distribution really works.
I’m not saying we don’t need to reduce NR’s. I’m saying that reducing NR’s only without including R’s into the equation will not have enough effect to change mule deer hunting for the better.
Look at the harvest data the last several years. You are out to lunch Gerald. You aren’t fixing this area without nonresident caps. Harvest is down but nonresidents aren’t distributing themselves.Don’t worry. You’re well on the way to having the game shot down to low enough numbers that NR’s won’t congregate over there as much. See, hunter self distribution really works.
I’m not saying we don’t need to reduce NR’s. I’m saying that reducing NR’s only without including R’s into the equation will not have enough effect to change mule deer hunting for the better.
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Last 3 weekes of LE would do that... just saying....
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That is where I disagree, what are you basing that on? I don’t believe you can definitively say that. Start with NR’s first and then go from there. If residents also need to be subsequently impacted, then let’s have that discussion at that time. But implement changes that affect nonresidents first and leave the residents out of the equation for now.Don’t worry. You’re well on the way to having the game shot down to low enough numbers that NR’s won’t congregate over there as much. See, hunter self distribution really works.
I’m not saying we don’t need to reduce NR’s. I’m saying that reducing NR’s only without including R’s into the equation will not have enough effect to change mule deer hunting for the better.
antlerradar
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All depends on how the caps are set. I am not optimist that the caps would be set low enough to make a difference.
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Have you compared that to other states? WY sells a lot less, for example.
Carnage2011
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That’s based on the fact that we sell twice as many resident tags as NR tags.
Below what the residents harvest should be a low bar that fwp could achieve.
