Montana General Season Structure Proposal

I spent over $800 each year between me and my kids tags and applications. That’s not a small amount of money for someone to spend on resident tags. However, to your guys point, yes, I would be fine if they increased the price for Residents.

As to the snarky crappy winter comments….. You literally have no idea where I live or what I have to put up with to live where I live. I’m assuming you probably live in some city where you get natural gas and don’t have to spend $1200 a month propane, have plow four foot drifts in your driveway, only to have the wind blow it back in and start all over. or wreck a pick up on the way to work because you hit a drift that was hard packed and blew out your transmission and coolant lines. And that’s not to mention the four weeks of continuous -20 to -30 below that is freezes lines in my house or shop, or trying to keep livestock fed and their water unfrozen, and vehicles not being able to start, etc…. Not to mention the fact that my closest grocery store is 45 miles from where I live. And none of that includes my kids having to drive 45 miles one way to school every day down gravel roads, and having their bus get rolled because some douche bag hunter was parked in the middle of the road glassing deer in a dense fog. You literally have no clue, and what proves it, is that if you did, you won’t be making stupid comments like that.

As for posting videos on YouTube, don’t even get me started. I’m sick and tired of you guys eating on anybody and everybody who decides to post a video. It’s absolute crap behavior for hunters to do to each other. First of all, let’s get a couple things straight. I don’t make a single dime off of any YouTube video I post, and you won’t find a single video that I’m aware of in any of my stuff that refers to the state I live in or where I’m hunting. I don’t promote any products, and I make nothing off of the videos I put together. I do it for fun and enjoyment, and the size of my channel can show you that. There’s tons of guys on these forums that like watching kids shoot their first deer or a nice buck, etc. or a guy doing something that he enjoys and loves doing. I’ve been filming Hans long before it was cool or in Vogue, I just finally decided to start putting them together and not being lazy and just having them sit there unedited for years on end. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. Don’t hate on me because you don’t. Says a lot more about you that it does me. Why don’t you find some other war to wage, maybe like anti-hunters or something that actually matters. The irony of all of this is you’re posting on a forum that is ran by Randy Newberg. So don’t give me your virtue signaling while posting on a forum ran by someone who has a massive YouTube channel that tells everyone where and how to hunt and draws to put in for it. The hypocrisy is absolutely astounding to me.

As for the non-residents, please stop giving me that nonsense about how their tag fees are so crucial to our wildlife. That’s absolute poppycock. Fish and game is spending millions of dollars in my local regional office for a bunch of remodeling that they don’t need. Like any other government agency in this country it’s fat and happy, and they could use a trim down. Believe me, I know, I’m a government worker myself, and see it every day all the time. Fish game in Montana is more interested in buying a land with the money they make than they are actually managing the wildlife. I happen to know the biologist who flat out told me his recommendations aren’t even listened to, and that same office has bought up massive amounts of land in that region. So they’re not really worried about managing the resource. They’re more worried about running their business.
Like I said I wasn’t interested in bringing any of that into the conversation since I didn’t see it relevant to deer management. Sorry you decided to live out of town please bring your ideas to the season setting and don’t trip on the soap box when you step down
 
Back on track. A sheet load of bucks are getting killed with rifles during the rut. Archery not so much, something to think about.

Edit: per fwp harvest stats.
 
Yeah. Probably didn't need the personal shots but it's pretty applicable being that the recent youtube video he's been making threads on is of him walking across an open ag field to to shoot 6 year old muley that was blinded by the rut. But rifle rut hunting muleys isn't an issue and you shouldn't take that away from him. Just take it away from other people. He paid $16 for that deer tag dontcha know.
Windbag gypsy, don’t know why you have such a hard on for me, but how does me posting a video affect you and why does that bother you so much? It was a mature, intelligent deer that I caught in a vulnerable position. So I should not have shot that deer, is that what you’re saying? I worked very hard to get access to some stellar private ground that I shot that buck on, and that is where me and my three kids (who I will soon post videos of as well) shot our bucks last year. Don’t know why you have such a vitriolic reaction to someone posting videos of their success, but it’s pretty crappy really. I’m not complaining about paying $16 for a tag. All I’m saying is that when I add up all of the applications and tags for me and my immediate family, it’s far more than $16. I’m paying hundreds of dollars, (actually, closer to $1000) and I’m actually OK with that. I’ve often thought of it as a donation to the cause, and furthermore would be willing to pay extra to help offset a reduction and nonresident fees. I said it was a significant amount, to me $800 plus is. If that kind of money isn’t significant to you , well, that’s just fine and dandy. You keyboard warriors are the best….. you’re so tough on the Internet, but I bet in person you wouldn’t say half the stuff that you say on the Internet. How about this, instead of hating on your fellow brothers/hunters you find a real war to wage that actually matters. There’s a lot worse things in life than whether or not someone decides to post a video on multiple forums that they’re proud of, and excited about.
 
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Like I said I wasn’t interested in bringing any of that into the conversation since I didn’t see it relevant to deer management. Sorry you decided to live out of town please bring your ideas to the season setting and don’t trip on the soap box when you step down
I did bring some ideas and you started getting all hot and bothered by it. Like I said, it’s simple, reduce nonresident tags, or at least make them pick units and put in some boundaries (like a season reduction for them) and see what that produces before you affect residents. That’s my idea. If you don’t like it, I don’t know what to tell you, you asked.
 
I did bring some ideas and you started getting all hot and bothered by it. Like I said, it’s simple, reduce nonresident tags, or at least make them pick units and put in some boundaries (like a season reduction for them) and see what that produces before you affect residents. That’s my idea. If you don’t like it, I don’t know what to tell you, you asked.
It’s easy to have great ideas which locking nr in by region would be. Problem is lack of information no one knows for sure how much pressure each unit is getting and how to split the tags. I wouldn’t say I got all huffy at all I asked you to bring something else to the table at Fwp to help apply pressure so they make a change. Would be awesome to see your idea implemented. Our goal is to get something across the finish line to make a change. We had spent a lot of time and have a lot of information showing why this would work well for the deer. Also implement a regional tag could have a horrible effect if the numbers aren’t done properly.
 
INMT, You clearly didn’t read the snarky comments, or have some reading comprehension problems. What I’m saying is that as a resident of this state it isn’t like I get to live in Sunny San Diego and then come enjoy the benefits of hunting in this state like many nonresidents do. What I am saying is that I pay a price in many different ways, shapes, and forms to live in this state, and have access to a lot of great hunting opportunities. What is bothering me, is that on top of some of the inherent difficulties of living in rural Montana, the proposed idea is that my season will be affected just as much as non-residents who don’t live here, pay taxes, or pay a price to have resident advantages. (And if you don’t think, living in Montana is difficult then please explain to me why we are the 7th least populated state in the US with the fourth largest landmass) That’s mainly what I’m getting at…. a resident who lives here should have advantages over a nonresident, period. And before my season dates get limited, I believe that we should start with the nonresident first and go from there. Not get lumped in altogether at once.

As far as the comment about me living out of town, that’s what happens when you work at a certain job, and the only housing options available are in the middle of the boonies. Yes, we all have a choice where we live and where we work, but it doesn’t change the harsh reality that some places are very difficult to live, much more so than others. If you live in Bozeman or Kalispell or Billings, you really don’t have a clue about how harsh northern rural hiline Montana can be. And it is very fair of me to get aggravated that my season opportunities should get diminished in lockstep with people who don’t live here.

I don’t believe it’s unreasonable for someone that lives here to have a strong opinion that the droves and droves of NR’s that come here every year should have some felt and diminished opportunities before those of us who live here year-round do. Nothing drives me more crazy, than having to deal with all the crap I have to deal with of living in an extremely rural, but hunting rich area, only to have a bunch of non-residents show up like Genghis Khan‘s hoards during hunting season.
 
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You clearly didn’t read the snarky comments, or have some reading comprehension problems. What I’m saying is that as a resident of this state it isn’t like I get to live in Sunny San Diego and then come enjoy the benefits of hunting in this state line many nonresidents do. What I am saying is that I pay a price in many different ways, shapes, and forms to live in this state, and have access to a lot of great hunting opportunities. What is bothering me, is that on top of some of the inherent difficulties of living in rural Montana, the proposed idea is that my season will be affected just as much as non-residents who don’t live here, pay taxes, or pay a price to have resident advantages. (And if you don’t think, living in Montana is diffic then please explain to me why we are the 7th least populated state in the US with the fourth largest landmass) That’s mainly what I’m getting at a resident who lives here should have advantages over a nonresident, period. And before my seasons in season dates get limited, I believe that we should start with the nonresident first and go from there. Not get lumped in altogether at once.

As far as the comment about me living out of town, that’s what happens when you work at a certain job, and the only housing options available are in the middle of the boonies. Yes, we all have a choice where we live and where we work, but it doesn’t change the harsh reality that some places are very difficult to live, much more so than others. If you live in Bozeman or Kalispell or Billings, you really don’t have a clue about how harsh northern rural hiline Montana can be. And it is very fair of me to get aggravated that my season opportunities should get diminished in lockstep with people who don’t live here.
Well I support your idea how’s that? Now sell it to Fwp. I guess next time it gets western and I’m asked to go up on the high line and give a hand I’ll stay in Billings.
 
INMT, You clearly didn’t read the snarky comments, or have some reading comprehension problems. What I’m saying is that as a resident of this state it isn’t like I get to live in Sunny San Diego and then come enjoy the benefits of hunting in this state line many nonresidents do. What I am saying is that I pay a price in many different ways, shapes, and forms to live in this state, and have access to a lot of great hunting opportunities. What is bothering me, is that on top of some of the inherent difficulties of living in rural Montana, the proposed idea is that my season will be affected just as much as non-residents who don’t live here, pay taxes, or pay a price to have resident advantages. (And if you don’t think, living in Montana is diffic then please explain to me why we are the 7th least populated state in the US with the fourth largest landmass) That’s mainly what I’m getting at a resident who lives here should have advantages over a nonresident, period. And before my seasons in season dates get limited, I believe that we should start with the nonresident first and go from there. Not get lumped in altogether at once.

As far as the comment about me living out of town, that’s what happens when you work at a certain job, and the only housing options available are in the middle of the boonies. Yes, we all have a choice where we live and where we work, but it doesn’t change the harsh reality that some places are very difficult to live, much more so than others. If you live in Bozeman or Kalispell or Billings, you really don’t have a clue about how harsh northern rural hiline Montana can be. And it is very fair of me to get aggravated that my season opportunities should get diminished in lockstep with people who don’t live here.

I don’t believe it’s unreasonable for someone that lives here to have a strong opinion that the droves and droves of NR’s that come here every year should have some felt and diminished opportunities before those of us who live here year-round do. Nothing drives me more crazy, than having to deal with all the crap I have to deal with of living in an extremely rural, but hunting rich area, only to have a bunch of non-residence show up like Genghis Khan‘s hoards during hunting season.

I guess I’ve never viewed it as paying a price, more of a bonus. And that is probably the reason we are a sparsely populated, large landmass state. I’d like to keep it that way.
 
I haven't paid what I consider "significant" money for tags and permits since the up front money for the big 3 went away. (Somethjng that should be brought back). And even then was manageable. I paid 97 bucks for a Sportsman's with bear for this year. I can't understand the complaining from Montana residents about costs. mtmuley

I guess I’ve never viewed it as paying a price, more of a bonus. And that is probably the reason we are a sparsely populated, large landmass state. I’d like to keep it that way.
I think we’re looking at two sides of the same coin. Yes it is sparsely populated much in part because of the inherent difficulties of living in this state. It is much more difficult to live more so than a place like Colorado, and those difficulties are the very thing that keeps it from being flooded like Colorado. You are correct, the bonus of living here is that we have some awesome hunting opportunities, but there is a definite price to pay for many of us to live here and have those opportunities. The point I am trying to make is that before my hunting opportunities start being impacted, I believe that the non-resident should be the first on the chopping block. (I’m specifically referring to season dates being reduced) As far as the money goes, I don’t mind paying what I pay, and I would actually be willing to pay more to better our opportunities. But let’s be honest about this nonresident money thing, a lot of that goes to fund block management, which I really could care less about and don’t even hunt block. I put in sweat equity with local landowners to get my opportunities, and I surely don’t need nonresident hunters paying big money to fund block management programs that actually cause more of a cluster in and around the places I hunt. Furthermore, anybody that doesn’t realize that FWP grossly misuses their funds has their head in the sand. I’m so tired of hearing about how non-residents tag fees are a must for our resources to continue. I just don’t believe it and I don’t think that is true. Not when I see the way that FWP spends their money. The phrase, fraud, waste, and abuse, comes to mind.
 
Well, I guess you don’t socialize with very many native Montanans then.
Yeah, just folks like my paternal Grandfather that was born in Ronan in 1916, my parents where both born in Montana, so were my Brother and I. Have about a jillion cousins all born there, and almost all my friends I grew up with all Montana natives too.

Maybe the crowd you hang with also weren't from Montana.

Of course, after living there for 6 months, they all claim to be Montana "tuffies".
 
Yeah, just folks like my paternal Grandfather that was born in Ronan in 1916, my parents where both born in Montana, so were my Brother and I. Have about a jillion cousins all born there, and almost all my friends I grew up with all Montana natives too.

Maybe the crowd you hang with also weren't from Montana.

Of course, after living there for 6 months, they all claim to be Montana "tuffies".
I claim to be first generation. I moved here before it was cool too. I’ve watched one states hunting burn to the ground would prefer to not see it happen again
 
Yeah, just folks like my paternal Grandfather that was born in Ronan in 1916, my parents where both born in Montana, so were my Brother and I. Have about a jillion cousins all born there, and almost all my friends I grew up with all Montana natives too.

Maybe the crowd you hang with also weren't from Montana.

Of course, after living there for 6 months, they all claim to be Montana "tuffies".
Yeah, like I said earlier, you really don’t have a clue. That’s OK ignorance is bliss for many people. Do you live here? If not, I don’t really care what your grand pappy did or didn’t do, said or didn’t say. And honestly, if you don’t live here, I really could care less about your opinion on anything with regards to Montana, hunting related or not.
 
You don't sound much like a native Montana resident.

I never hear folks born in Montana bitch about the weather or how tough their life is....and that includes buying about the cheapest NR tags in the entire West.
Montana’s wildlife management won’t be fixed by funding. I don’t blame residents for not wanting to pay more, they have never seen a benefit to funding.
 
Yeah, like I said earlier, you really don’t have a clue. That’s OK ignorance is bliss for many people. Do you live here?
Here's what I know, this guy didn't bitch about the weather in Montana...or the price of a fuggin' deer and elk tag.

He also shoveled his own snow and heated his house with larch and fir (google it, tinhorn).

Not any more, live in Wyoming but lived in Montana from 1968-2000. Oh, yeah, just bought my deer and elk tags for the 44th straight year in Montana. Should I cry about it because I paid $748.76 for that, points, and applying for special elk and deer permits?

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