Montana draw

[all ears]

Apps were not filled out 'incorrectly' according to the rules printed in the regs book. In general, people are not dumb. If the blame was all on the applicant FWP would not be acknowledging all of this.

 

[The Hedgehog]

When I applied for a 1st and only choice permit area. I only applied for one choice. WTF would I put a 2nd and 3rd choice down for? Maybe I'm weird that way.

 

[kwyeewyk]

I take that back they are they just aren’t entering me in it cuz I was smart enough to fill out the app correctly

I purposely didn’t put a second choice because I thought it would dq the app. This seems really unfair. Maybe I wanted to put a second choice now too

That was my exact thought, wtf? because I filled out my kids application right they don’t get entered in the redraw. Lol.

Serious question, and I have no skin in this game, but how did you all know they meant "first and only choice" when the regs clearly say "first choice only"?

 

[The Hedgehog]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

 

[kwyeewyk]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

Gee that kinda makes it an even bigger f u to the people who sat through meeting and paid attention but didn't get listened to?

 

[8andcounting]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

Winner winner

 

[Gerald Martin]

This is on FWP and the commission

Not considering second or third choice applications for 799,if there are more permits available than applicants and not allocating those unclaimed permits is reasonable.

Invalidating an entire application because some applied 1st choice for a permit that can only be drawn as a first choice and then applied 2nd or 3rd choice for permits that are available to be awarded 2nd or 3rd choice is unreasonable.

 

[all ears]

Yes, very clear, I agree. '1st choice only' vs 'First and only choice' are completely different, end of story. How can that be argued?

 

[Gerald Martin]

When you think about it the whole “first and only choice” designation as a deterrent from keeping people from drawing 2nd and 3rd choice permits and not hunting them is actually a non issue. The only reason there are 2nd or 3rd choice permits available is because not enough people desired the permit to have the quota allocated in the first draw.
Who does it affect if someone draws a permit 2nd choice and doesn’t hunt it?
It doesn’t even affect NR numbers because the 90/10 split is in effect for 1st choice only applications.

 

[ErictheRed]

Apps were not filled out 'incorrectly' according to the rules printed in the regs book. In general, people are not dumb. If the blame was all on the applicant FWP would not be acknowledging all of this.

Uh...Look at the Whitehouse...not sure people are smart.

 

[runningmt]

Weed is legal in MT now…..they were all high as a camel’s ass when the drawing took place…..

 

[Scott85]

So I’m one of those affected. I applied for 411-21 as my first choice, nothing in the regs I read said it was “first and only”.

 

[Carnage2011]

When I applied for a 1st and only choice permit area. I only applied for one choice. WTF would I put a 2nd and 3rd choice down for? Maybe I'm weird that way.

Where does it say 1st and only choice? Show me…

I’m aware of what the commission said, but 99% of hunters don’t watch those and wouldn’t know what was said. The regs said 1st choice only. Not first and only choice. Those are two different things.

This is 100% on FWP for not having it printed in the regs correctly. Don’t blame the people that read the regs and put a “first choice only” option as their first choice and then chose a different unit to use as a second choice. That’s just reading the regs as they are written.

 

[RobertD]

"Friends don't let friends apply for Montana hunting permits"

 

[Carnage2011]

When you think about it the whole “first and only choice” designation as a deterrent from keeping people from drawing 2nd and 3rd choice permits and not hunting them is actually a non issue. The only reason there are 2nd or 3rd choice permits available is because not enough people desired the permit to have the quota allocated in the first draw.
Who does it affect if someone draws a permit 2nd choice and doesn’t hunt it?
It doesn’t even affect NR numbers because the 90/10 split is in effect for 1st choice only applications.

The reason that these went to first choice only was because they raised the quotas so much that people would be able to put in for a different unit and easily draw these as 2nd choice tags.

 

[DFS]

First choice only it’s clear.

 

[all ears]

That's exactly right Carnage2011

 

[all ears]

To post #413

 

[Carnage2011]

First choice only it’s clear.

That means you can only put that unit as a first choice. I.e. don’t list it as your second choice.

Maybe I spend too much time reading legal contracts where wording actually matters, but it’a amazing to me that people struggle to comprehend what that says.

 

[kwyeewyk]

That means you can only put that unit as a first choice. I.e. don’t list it as your second choice.

Maybe I spend too much time reading legal contracts where wording actually matters, but it’a amazing to me that people struggle to comprehend what that says.

Probably needed a couple of Oxford commas,,,