Montana 2025 Legislative Session

[Ben Lamb]

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No, nothing to see here, nothing is for sale!

They're renting the access, not selling the license. Yes, some ranches lease, some are in land trust and others are outfitted while even more allow limited access and/or engage in FWP access programs.

Welcome to private property rights.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Here is the link to the FWP Contact us page. They can get you those answers:

ABOUT FWP :: Contact Us | Montana FWP

How to contact FWP

fwp.mt.gov

I think the bigger point is - these questions seem like they'd have been relevant to ask, prior to introduction, if this was actually trying to solve a problem.

 

[Forkyfinder]

They're renting the access, not selling the license. Yes, some ranches lease, some are in land trust and others are outfitted while even more allow limited access and/or engage in FWP access programs.

Welcome to private property rights.

Wait - so are the elk an asset or liability?

 

[Ben Lamb]

I think the bigger point is - these questions seem like they'd have been relevant to ask, prior to introduction, if this was actually trying to solve a problem.

Assuming positive intent is a wonderful tool when it comes to advocacy. When you start your assumptions from the negative, you create an adversarial approach to an issue. It has a tendency to shut down thoughtful debate.

Wait - so are the elk an asset or liability?

They can certainly be both. Are landowners a monolithic block of public hunter haters?

 

[Forkyfinder]

Assuming positive intent is a wonderful tool when it comes to advocacy. When you start your assumptions from the negative, you create an adversarial approach to an issue. It has a tendency to shut down thoughtful debate.



They can certainly be both. Are landowners a monolithic block of public hunter haters?

What problem is this solving? I think its perfectly fair to question the point of something, if it wasnt meant to solve a problem. If that is assumed negative, the assumption may say more than the question. Arent more tags - NOT the same approach of the last 20 years?

They sure can be both. An asset in most ways aug 15-feb15 and a liability feb 15 - aug 15. I suppose if i wanted to maximize my business profits id sure want to extend those asset dates and the methods/means they are an asset. If thats what this is - lets be honest about it.

Absolutely not, landowners are not a monolith. Lobbyist orgs seem to like to represent them as such.

 

[DFS]

That's not what the bill does.

It:

1.) lifts the 2 antlerless cap, yes but it directs the agency to create a matrix that scales the issuance of tags based on objective range & desired herd conditions.

2.) caps NR's to no more than 2 elk B if they hold a B10 or elk combo. 1 license if a NR doesn't have a B10 or elk combo. Same as deer.

The concept is about management of elk populations by using licensed hunters rather than kill permits to deal with large overpopulation.

It would likely help in terms of shoulder seasons & getting a reduction in populations in areas that are chronically over objective range & while landowners & their employees could buy licenses, so could everyone else.

The bill essentially manages antlerless elk like antlerless deer in statute. It doesn't give anyone permission to shoot unlimited amounts of elk.

1. I don’t trust the agency to manage anything.

2. The public has no voice in season setting. They may say that they do but they don’t.

3. Bring in the aerial gunner, that is the only way we are “fixing” this “problem”.

4. I could care less if a landowner hoses down all the cows on his property.

Pass the bill I’m sure it will be a game changer