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Medical French Revolution

After slogging through this thread, the only thing I can think of saying to my fellow Americans who are complaining about healthcare costs is: “There is undoubtedly a military recruiting office nearby where you can sign up to be in the military and get free healthcare. Why delay and continue your torturous monetary decline with having to pay unnecessary rates?”

Any takers? I thought not. Everyone loves to complain about their hardships but don’t have the resolve to actually do something to remedy the situation.
 
Ben Lamb said:
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Hooray, but you're not going to go over there to have an operation and their system is an absolute disaster if you're actually hoping for good medical treatment. It's not free for you since you're not a citizen paying their taxes, and their wait times for treatment are obscene and getting worse, 18 weeks or more for treatments on average.
 
Mountain Man said:
After slogging through this thread, the only thing I can think of saying to my fellow Americans who are complaining about healthcare costs is: “There is undoubtedly a military recruiting office nearby where you can sign up to be in the military and get free healthcare. Why delay and continue your torturous monetary decline with having to pay unnecessary rates?”

Any takers? I thought not. Everyone loves to complain about their hardships but don’t have the resolve to actually do something to remedy the situation.
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Easy to say.

I tried to go into the military in 2001. Found out about my kidney disease. Worked until 1 year ago, going through 2 transplants, and now on my third string of dialysis. I may or may not be eligible for a third transplant (evaluation was last week).

My wife is my caregiver, and we will be lucky to not lose our house.

Fortunately, I have a decent pension from the 19 years i had with one employer, and my wife has been able to find a reasonable at home job, so we are ok for now.

The situation sucks in that medical costs are through the roof for many reasons beyond my comprehension.

Only way to bring costs down is to not treat sick people.
 
Mountain Man said:
After slogging through this thread, the only thing I can think of saying to my fellow Americans who are complaining about healthcare costs is: “There is undoubtedly a military recruiting office nearby where you can sign up to be in the military and get free healthcare. Why delay and continue your torturous monetary decline with having to pay unnecessary rates?”

Any takers? I thought not. Everyone loves to complain about their hardships but don’t have the resolve to actually do something to remedy the situation.
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lol.

So you just have to give up your other rights and autonomy and you can get healthcare, got it.
 
SaskHunter said:
Bro, I know I've had a few beers but I literally don't understand any of this.

I could literally just fall down stairs drunk, get hurt, my wife calls the ambo and I go to the hospital and worst case scenario I'm down a few big ones for the ride to the hospital. That's it.

Healthcare shouldn't be that complicated.

I think the whole social construct of caring for you and your weakest is pretty dope.

Anyway, I've had too many beers and shots tonight and that's just how I feel things should be. 🤘

Edit: I think how you treat animals and your poorest/weakest says a lot about a society.
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We are on the same page. There should be a free base level of care for everyone. And for those that criticize Canada’s system because you have to wait, I suspect they are healthy. It is hard in the US in many places to make appoints with PCP, much less specialist. 8,10, 12 weeks waiting are pretty standard.

The “fixes”’are pretty easy, but there is too much money involved to get it done.
 
SAJ-99 said:
We are on the same page. There should be a free base level of care for everyone. And for those that criticize Canada’s system because you have to wait, I suspect they are healthy. It is hard in the US in many places to make appoints with PCP, much less specialist. 8,10, 12 weeks waiting are pretty standard.

The “fixes”’are pretty easy, but there is too much money involved to get it done.
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The wait for a specialist right now is $*)Q!#@$ ridiculous. Its not confirmed as we are waiting on yet another culture test. But pretty sure my wife has an infection in her bloodstream. Finally got in 8 weeks out. You think you could expedite that...nah. I'm not condoning it but I could see how someone could've went off the deep end with the ceo fella. God forbid if your premium isn't paid on time though.
 
mevertsen said:
Easy to say.

I tried to go into the military in 2001. Found out about my kidney disease. Worked until 1 year ago, going through 2 transplants, and now on my third string of dialysis. I may or may not be eligible for a third transplant (evaluation was last week).

My wife is my caregiver, and we will be lucky to not lose our house.

Fortunately, I have a decent pension from the 19 years i had with one employer, and my wife has been able to find a reasonable at home job, so we are ok for now.

The situation sucks in that medical costs are through the roof for many reasons beyond my comprehension.

Only way to bring costs down is to not treat sick people.
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I’m sorry to hear about your challenges and commend you for trying to join the military. I hope your transplant gets approved.
 
Mountain Man said:
Or you could view it as stepping up to preserve our freedoms and way of life. I see though that your personal comfort is more important to you than that cause.
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Obviously your experience in the military was vastly different than mine.

Want to receive some health care? Better be at sick call at 0500.
Eyes red because you're feverish? Must be hungover, shitbag
Trying to miss PT (physical training) because you're sick because everyone is afraid to go to sick call they get everyone else sick? Shitbag
Want to go to rehab PT for an injury sustained at work? Shitbag
Spouse or dependent need care and you have to miss work? Shitbag
Who gets promoted or has leave approved? Not the shitbag who went to sick call two months ago
You get the point.

Regarding freedoms... lol
The only freedom my service preserved was that of the defense contractor shareholders to make bank while ensuring there was a steady supply of grieving parents and children growing up without a father. We made sure their convoys didn't get blown up so they could continue to bilk the American taxpayer into trillions of dollars of debt.

My service provided me the opportunity to see how fortunate we are to be born in this country. It also gave me a chance to see how much potential we have, but how we've squandered it at so many opportunities thus far. I gained many benefits from my service, but suggesting that military service in Iraq preserved our broader 'freedoms and way of life' is the most laughable lie of the last 20 years.
 
does anybody else feel like they're playing a board game or sitting at a craps table when they're reading through the summary of benefits on the marketplace website?
so many different little gambles you can take with your... life. lol
 
1. Preventive health care is cheap and effective if available and if patients do their part.

2. The longer we live, the more is spent on health care. Much more in the final months of life.


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In the United States, less than 3%of total healthcare spending goes to preventive care:

  • Spending on preventive care: In 2019, preventive care accounted for 3.5% of total healthcare spending.

  • Spending on public health: Less than 3% of the estimated $3.6 trillion spent annually on healthcare in the US goes to public health and prevention.

  • Spending decline: From 2000 to 2018, the percentage of total healthcare spending that went to preventive care declined from 3.7% to 2.9%.
Despite the benefits of preventive care, many people in the US don't receive all recommended services:
  • In 2020, only 5.3% of adults aged 35 and older received all recommended high-priority preventive care.
  • In 2020–2021, 69.6% of adolescents aged 12 to 17 had at least one preventive health care visit in the previous 12 months, down from 78.7% in 2016–2017.


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In 2016, 27%of total US healthcare spending was attributed to preventable illnesses. This amounted to $730.4 billion, which was more than the GDP of 171 countries that year.

Some examples of preventable illnesses and their costs to the US healthcare system include:
  • Heart disease
    The leading cause of death in the US, and 80% of cases are preventable. It costs an estimated $316 billion per year.
  • Cancer
    The second leading cause of death in the US, and many forms are preventable. It costs an estimated $158 billion per year.
  • Stroke
    The third leading cause of death in the US, and stroke deaths are largely preventable. It costs an estimated $74 billion per year.
  • Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
    A group of lung diseases that are largely preventable. It costs an estimated $50 billion per year.


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    End-of-life care in the United States accounts for about 10–12%of all healthcare spending. However, there is some variation in estimates, and the actual percentage may be slightly higher:
    • 2011
      One estimate suggests that 13% of healthcare spending in 2011, or $205 billion, was for end-of-life care.

    • Last 12 months of life
      The average medical spending for someone in their last year of life is $59,000. This accounts for 6.7% of total healthcare spending for all ages, and 16.8% for people aged 65 and older.

    • Medicare
      Medicare spending for the last year of life is about one-quarter of total Medicare spending. However, Medicare only covers the elderly and disabled, and doesn't pay for long-term care.


    • Abstract​

      We use data from the Medicare Current Beneficiary Survey (MCBS) to document the medical spending of Americans aged 65 and older. We find that medical expenses more than double between ages 70 and 90 and that they are very concentrated: the top 10 per cent of all spenders are responsible for 52 per cent of medical spending in a given year. In addition, those currently experiencing either very low or very high medical expenses are likely to find themselves in the same position in the future. We also find that the poor consume more medical goods and services than the rich and have a much larger share of their expenses covered by the government. Overall, the government pays for over 65 per cent of the elderly's medical expenses. Despite this, the expenses that remain after government transfers are even more concentrated among a small group of people. Thus, government health insurance, while potentially very valuable, is far from complete. Finally, while medical expenses before death can be large, on average they constitute only a small fraction of total spending, both in the aggregate and over the life cycle. Hence, medical expenses before death do not appear to be an important driver of the high and increasing medical spending found in the US.
 
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