Logging the Hayman Fire burn area (Update)

[Washington Hunter]

Elkchsr, it sounds like you are the one who doesn't get it. We all understand what you're talking about when you say the Forest Service requires a lot of other things be done, in order for the logging to be done, and that is why it is so expensive. Nobody has said they have a problem with that. The problem is that it will cost taxpayers a lot of money for this logging, and nobody wants to pay taxes just so the logging companies can make money. If they can't make money logging that particular forest, then they should go log somewhere else where the expenses aren't so high.

 

[ELKCHSR]

I don't think you really do get it, or you wouldn't have made your last statement the way you did. It is your opinion then that raw resources can only be taken from the environment if those that are doing the extracting is losing money? This is not a communist or a socialist country yet, so it won't happen. I wish you fellows would take on a job in and around some of these extraction industries and not in a government position, so you can actually see the error of your thoughts and the way things in reality are done, better yet, put your money were your mouth is and start your own up. It is great to wish that those doing the work would do it out of the good graces of their hearts, but I don't see any of you volunteering your time or energies for free to help out with the extraction industry so as to make the costs go down so that it would be feasible to take it all out for the cost of the diesel and the cost of the machinery...

 

[Washington Hunter]

Would Weyerhaeuser log a chunk of their privately owned ground if they were going to lose 800,000 dollars doing it? No, I don't think so! Do you? Then why should the United States government do it? What the heck does it have to do with being a Communist country? What it has to do with is economics. You know, supply and demand. Haven't you ever taken an economics class? Elkchsr, I'm really starting to wonder about you. Is that smoke beginning to have an affect on you?

 

[Lostagain]

You bet WH.... BTW, what the hell did the USFS spend $800,000 on? Are they buying hammers from the Air Force?

 

[Washington Hunter]

Lost, what the hell are you talking about? Nobody said the USFS bought anything. $800,000 is the amount they said they will lose by selling the timber in the Hayman Fire burn area.

 

[ELKCHSR]

It has been a well known and documented fact that the Feds have never been in the buisness of making money, what makes this an unnussual occurance, when they get into a situation where they can make a profit, of course they screw it up and lose $$$. I don't need any economics classes to know this.

 

[Lostagain]

Ok, then how the hell are they going to lose that kind of money? staple 100 dollar bills to each log as it leaves.

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[Washington Hunter]

LOL

Who knows, maybe that IS how they lose money.

 

[ELKCHSR]

LOL!!!!

That would be about right!!!

 

[ELKCHSR]

Thanks for the update, I was on one of the fires mentioned in the not list and I would say that one was picked because I don't think much of what we were on was under the 25-35% slope margine, very steep terrain..
At least they are using part of the wood, instead of locking it all up for the bugs...
I believe that if they went in and only grabbed the biggest dead and left the rest, they could log more volume, leave plenty for the inhabitants of the forests.

 

[Oak]

Here's the final decision on this project (if it makes it past the appeal deadline in one week). They reduced the total acres from 17,500 to 10,000 and made some environmentally friendly changes.

Hayman Salvage Decision

Oak