If you can willingly sit there and say human activity hasn't had an adverse effect on the worlds climate, there's no point in talking to you. Its right there in front of you.
Jasper wildfire/climate change
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If you can willingly sit there and say human activity hasn't had an adverse effect on the worlds climate, there's no point in talking to you. Its right there in front of you.
rjthehunter
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That's your explanation on how climate change is the reason for wildfires?
Sure, stupid people start wildfires, but climate change isn't the problem here...
huntin24/7
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regardless of what the cause was, this is such a terrible thing. The only positive is that it sounds like there was potential for serious loss of lives, and it looks like that was avoided. Thoughts and prayers to those affected.
Yeah those stupid sentient lightning strikes, in areas seeing previously unknown levels of drought, with the lowest recorded levels of snowpack, year after year after year…
Have you thought about importing more rakes? I hear it works in Finland.
Nameless Range
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Really sad to see, and my thoughts are with the folks who live there.
Folks can argue about the tendencies, contributing factors, and causes all they want - I kind of see it as irrelevant to the fact of the matter that it can happen in the west. Talk to folks in the fire world in Montana, and they know the day is likely coming that towns like Seeley Lake or Lincoln, and even the edges of larger ones like Helena, could very much be dealing with an unfightable wildfire on mainstreet. It's not an easy or cheap problem to reduce the likelihood of.
Folks can argue about the tendencies, contributing factors, and causes all they want - I kind of see it as irrelevant to the fact of the matter that it can happen in the west. Talk to folks in the fire world in Montana, and they know the day is likely coming that towns like Seeley Lake or Lincoln, and even the edges of larger ones like Helena, could very much be dealing with an unfightable wildfire on mainstreet. It's not an easy or cheap problem to reduce the likelihood of.
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Randy says quit having pissing matches over politics so a fire thread immediately starts veering into oncoming traffic by leaning into a potential pissing match about the veracity of climate change science.
technically not explicitly politics i guess, touché
technically not explicitly politics i guess, touché
All the OSB and Lambeams, from those useless trees.
Mismanagement.
No thinning, no mills.
No mill towns.
No jobs.
No investments in the richest country in the world.
Rinse and repeat elsewhere.
Very sad to see. Farthest north in Canada I ever got was Jasper.
Mismanagement.
No thinning, no mills.
No mill towns.
No jobs.
No investments in the richest country in the world.
Rinse and repeat elsewhere.
Very sad to see. Farthest north in Canada I ever got was Jasper.
Bonasababy
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When I was in grad school nearly 40 years back, just warming itself had confidence intervals of warming predictions high enough that allowed my meteorology professor to say hold on, we aren't certain yet.
Since that time all projections have proven to be wrong.
The climate has warmed up MUCH FASTER than was predicted.
Just yesterday I heard a fellow describe yet another worrisome trend--one I suspect might make fires more likely and more severe.
Measuring frost and hydrology in the forest--they found that much later arrival of snow cover and much earlier loss of it has created more and more lasting frost. When the snow goes over frost it runs off--much faster than when frost is leaving or gone when it goes. This both increases the damage from high rainfall events downstream and decreases soil moisture available for trees and other fire carrying fuels.
So many different pathways climate change is having a negative impact like that the average denier has no understanding of.
Visited Jasper and Banff several times as a Kid. While I understand commercialization has changed things, I had hoped to go back in Retirement. Really sorry to see this going on. I might be mixing Banff and Jasper up but recall there were a lot of old structures and architecture there that will be hard to replace if lost to fire.
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Glad it passed muster with you, I was waiting with baited breath to find out if it did.
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Is that Athabasca? If so am I wrong in remembering much deeper ice from 50 years back or so?
I wouldn't doubt it. Glaciers everywhere are shrinking. Polar ice caps as well. There's data showing what's happening in the Hudson's Bay, and what it causes in the ecological chain from polar bears on down, that's alarming to say the least. But that's just normal apparently to some.
Big fires have always been. Just seams more significant since its now. Sucks to see nonetheless.
That looks like someones middle school science project ngl lol
theat
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No, its Saskatchewan Glacier a few miles south of Athabaskan, but they both connect to the Columbia Ice Field up top. When I was doing research on this trip I discovered that the US Army had a research/training facility built on this glacier back in the 40-50's. I was able to find an old picture from that time period and back then the glacier went all the way to the thick timber to the right of the center of this image below. It has since receded almost 3 miles. In much of that area, it is over 500 feet of elevation from the valley bottom to the marks on the valley walls where the glacier sat 75 years ago. That is a lot of ice gone just in this small toe of the glacier. Even where the glacier is still present, it is easy to see where it has also lost at least 500 feet off the top.
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Like @publichunter1 pointing out the all time high temps, you are using anomalies to try and disprove the norms. Your time would be better served studying the change in the norms if you somehow ever find yourself ever wondering what is actually happening.
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Dubz - think i should have added more context. When climate change is attributed as the sole cause - the other causes and solutions (not related to energy/climate policy) at the table are discarded.
noharleyyet
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*bated
How do you know he doesn't eat worms?
I was too scared to put bated brother. Just too scared.
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