Im bowing out

1 square mile of bighorn basin desert, with a sweet little unabomber hut for 299k. One of you guys needs to jump on this!

Shaul is finally selling his place I see
 
I am confused. You stated that the rates in the LLPAs reflect probability of default but then stated that borrower credit score was not a great indicator of default. Then why use credit score in the LLPA tables? Find some other better indicator. Isn’t probability of default a component of the risk assessment for lenders? Maybe bankers should just scrap the credit check requirement entirely.
It’s not that there wasn’t a difference, just that we saw default rates for high fico and low fico weren’t as different as the score would suggest.

Attached is a link that explains the changes the best. The fee difference between high fico and low fico changed (narrowed) but high fico is still better off. Like the author, I don’t have an opinion on the change, but think it needs to be presented correctly. I agree it is confusing, but mostly at the higher LTV differences, not the Fico. I assume that is reflective of market prices and need to keep the mortgage affordable to a wide group of people.

For the TLDR crowd.
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It’s not that there wasn’t a difference, just that we saw default rates for high fico and low fico weren’t as different as the score would suggest.

Attached is a link that explains the changes the best. The fee difference between high fico and low fico changed (narrowed) but high fico is still better off. Like the author, I don’t have an opinion on the change, but think it needs to be presented correctly. I agree it is confusing, but mostly at the higher LTV differences, not the Fico. I assume that is reflective of market prices and need to keep the mortgage affordable to a wide group of people.

For the TLDR crowd.
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I recall the last time they tried to “help” folks buy homes they couldn’t afford and encouraged low starting equity - it didn’t end well for anybody- and particularly not those who were the target of the “help”.
 
I recall the last time they tried to “help” folks buy homes they couldn’t afford and encouraged low starting equity - it didn’t end well for anybody- and particularly not those who were the target of the “help”.
Well, it’s part of their mandate. Previously, when they made those mistakes they were private entities. Now they are owned by the government (us) and the fees are to improve capital ratios. They generate billions $ in income and neither party wants to cut them loose to roam free again because they need the income for their favorite expenses.
I certainly have an opinion on the subject and it probably is pretty close to yours, but we can have a thread complaining about changes to the mortgage fee structure to help new buyers and simultaneously complaining housing prices are out of reach to new buyers. We get back to the discussion of everyone wanting, even expecting, a handout.
 
Not to mention flooring is probably on of the easiest most affordable things to change. Just saying that kind of stuff I don't even pay attention to when looking because I'm more than likely gonna change it anyway.
 
If your gonna be picky about something like that your #@)(*%* in this market
Any thing under like 5-10k to fix or update I don’t care about…like you said easy…
But it’s still gross 🤢
 
Well, it’s part of their mandate. Previously, when they made those mistakes they were private entities. Now they are owned by the government (us) and the fees are to improve capital ratios. They generate billions $ in income and neither party wants to cut them loose to roam free again because they need the income for their favorite expenses.
I certainly have an opinion on the subject and it probably is pretty close to yours, but we can have a thread complaining about changes to the mortgage fee structure to help new buyers and simultaneously complaining housing prices are out of reach to new buyers. We get back to the discussion of everyone wanting, even expecting, a handout.
The previous help was no document home loans created by Congress with government guarantees. Nothing private about that mistake.
 
The previous help was no document home loans created by Congress with government guarantees.
Not going to argue the GFC for the 1000th time. At that time before Congress took the approach to lessen rules, and we know the result. FNMA was and is a private, government sponsored enterprise. You can still buy the stock (not investment advice). You can also see in the chart where the government started to take a cut. Tax payers made out very well, and continue to. Without some government backing, mortgage rates would be much higher and the economy would be more volatile given housing large percentage contribution. So we either want some government involvement or we want to let the “free market” do its thing and endure the consequences. I think most choose the former and we mostly debate where the balance point is.

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