I was just wondering....

[Bullhound]

Not that it's on topic here but I see a reference to deleted topics. Is this what happened to the nice discussion on wloves we were having?

Did someone take their crayons and run?

 

[Michaelr]

Looks that way

What a puss.

 

[Bullhound]

Thought so. I guess he didn't like the thought of what would happen to him if he went to some of the places I mentioned and tried his BS on them.

 

[Ten Bears]

I think he took some of my crayons when he was grabbing up to run.

But then again, IT & BUZZ always said that I'm a few crayons short of a box.

 

[Deerslayer]

Quail Hunter said...."Now mostly where I quail hunt there are cattle grazing or have been.
I don't know if its private land or public as checker boarded as land ownerships go it could be both."


ummmm...Quail Hunter.....it could be considered very irresponsible not to know the ownership of the land you hunt....and could also land you a trespassing or poaching citation

 

[Deerslayer]

Quail Hunter....you HAVE to know. Yo can't just hunt places because there is no one there to tell you "no". It is the hunter's responsibility in most states, not the land owner's, to know the status of lands to be hunted.

Should you kill a state record whitetail, but didn't now the land you took him on was private, and the landowner so chose, you could be charged with trespassing, poaching, and you could loose your trophy and all reogniton that goes with it.

It is our responsibility as hunters to know,not the landowners responsibility to tell us. It goes back to "ignorance of the law is no defense in court".

Here in the west, few lands are posted. But it is a very seroius issue.

 

[quail hunter]

Deerslayer,
Down here there is a lot of fences and gates that basically let you know boundarys.
If the gates say, please close, then thats as good as go on in to me, some will have a little game and fish emblem on them or a unit number. Usually the fences and gates won't tell who's land your on but if your not welcome they will definitly post that message every 100'.We have a mixture of State trust land, ranch lands, forest, blm ,experimental, railroad,and when your out hunting when you cross a fence how the heck would you know which one your on?

 

[cjcj]

you can`t be charged with poaching if you have a tag for that species,and your in the right unit ! even if it`s private property, at least not in arizona,and you can`t be charged with tresspassing if the fence is not marked [properly] too bad colorado is mostly private.

 

[quail hunter]

When you hunt unit36b here for instance, your hunting not only on public land but private land too.
its all part of the hunt unit, what isn't available to hunt is clearly marked.
Thats where the I don't know statement comes about!
now if I'm hunting outta state then yes I have to know whereabouts I can hunt which I usually use the wildlifes unit map but even in Nevada you could cross into private land and not know it? How would you know unless the fences are clearly posted? is there a map of every fence? or do you have to find tax records and a land plan to locate owners?
Help me out here how do you know who's land your on if theres no postings or any obvious markers to tell you?

 

[Deerslayer]

cjcj....you are wrong on both accounts.....poaching and Colorado being private.

Yes, you can be charged with poaching even if you hold a tag for that unit. Say I have a unit 20 tag and smoke a bull on Estes Park Golf course......private land. My ass would be in jail for poaching before the smoke cleared. No different if I shot him on someone's ranch that had not allowed me to hunt. You need to get clear on the laws before you do to much more hunting. Buying a tag in a certain unit does not clear you of poaching charges in that unit. Can you spotlight in that unit if you have a legal tag for that unit?....and if you do that, is it poaching? Think before you write....

The other count you were wrong on was.....Colorado is not mostly private....it has more public land than any other western state. I know it is easy to just start typing stuff, but it may payoff in the long run to find out some info first before you just start saying stuff.....

Quail Hunter.....that is EXACTLY what you better do if you ever plan to hunt Colorado or Wyoming. Pull landowner maps at the courthouse, buy BLM and Forest maps....ownership maps....if you still are not dead sure, buy a GPS. If your still not sure, DON'T HUNT IT until you are! Land here does not have to be fenced or posted....it lies on the hunter to find out and know exactly where he is. Hunting is a priveledge that sometimes requires a lot of effort other than that of just picking up a gun and going.

And I find it hard to believe in Arizona a guy can hunt whereever he wants regardless .....just because he buys a tag for that unit...

 

[Calif. Hunter]

I'm sure someone from AZ wil post the correct info, but I vaguely remember from quite a few years back that we were hunting javelina, and there was a marked entry point and trial to access the public land through the private ranch. It was some kind of state law that required them to give access - can someone there clear this up? But that was just access across their land.

Years ago, in California, it was required that a landowner post his fence every so many feet. That law was repealed, and they know require that you have written permission from the landowner to hunt on private property, or you are trespassing and poaching.

 

[danr55]

It is forbidden by statute to lock up public land or access to public land without a court order. That includes checkerboard type allottments. If your property provides access through it to a public (BLM State or other Federal) lands, access is guaranteed as is hunting privlidges.

 

[Delw]

Dans right on that rule....

but dont forget the law says there has to be access. they dont care if you have to drive 300 miles and walk 80 miles over mountains to get there..... if there is access even via public property that takes 2 days to get through its considerd access and the private land owner doesnot have to give access....

they have had big probelms in the arivipa canyon area with this problem. there was access to the area via a good hike over mt gramm. the courts ruled in favor of the land owner but as of 4 years ago they state had made a road around that private land for better access. the place used to be good hunting now it just plain sucks. and its dirty with garbage all over.


Delw

 

[JoseCuervo]

QH,
You might look into a class at a local community college that teaches map reading. Most land maps will show ownership, so a quick course in matching colors and legends would allow you to know if you were on private land or public land. The hunting community does not need trespassers damaging the public perception.

MD,
Could you please advise me which one of our commissioners has no ties to the Livestock industry?

 

[danr55]

I don't know where Elkgunner gets his maps, but I would sure like to find out. The topos that I buy don't show anything but physical characteristics of the land. I know you can buy maps from BLM that show ownership by section, but those are the only ones I am aware of..

 

[Tara]

Here is how it works in Idaho........

Trespass Law: No person may enter private land to hunt,
fish or trap without permission if the land is either cultivated or
posted with legible “No Trespassing”. Proper posting means
either signs, 100 square inches of fluorescent orange paint, or an
entire fluorescent orange metal fence post every 660 feet around
the property and at reasonable access points. It is unlawful for
anyone to post public land that is not held under an
exclusive control lease. Conviction of trespass on posted
private property carries a mandatory one-year revocation of
hunting/fishing/trapping licenses.
Federal law prohibits unauthorized trespass on Indian-owned
reservation lands for hunting, fishing, or trapping purposes.

 

[Deerslayer]

As I thought.....even in Arizona you can't hunt private property just because you buy a tag for the unit. The laws mentioned speak of access, nothing of hunting the private lands.

I would venture a guess that NO state in the union would allow for hunters to legally hunt private lands owned by others without landowner permission...just a guess.

Some states, like Louisiana, require posting property with signs every so many feet....some states do not require posting property. But the bottomline is this.....it falls on the hunter to know were he is at all times and respect private lands
and the wishes of the owners of those lands,....it is not only the right thing, but it is also the law as far a I know. Any game taken from private property that the hunter was restricted from hunting could be considered poaching....tag or no tag.

 

[quail hunter]

I have elk hunted in Colorado, near Buford on public land, went straight there and had a great hunt.Could'nt tell you anything else about who owned what did'nt need to know as there was plenty of elk and big canyons right there. Did talk to the man who owned the little store in Buford and admired that big old mulie hanging on his wall.
I will repeat myself again: When you hunt a unit down here you will be hunting on private land and public land. I know its hard to believe that thats still possible but it is!
Again there will be some areas in the said unit that are closed to hunting, they will be POSTED or the boundarys will be stated in the hunting regs. Now I can't speak for the whole State but down south here thats a fact!
I've hunted in Idaho, California, Missouri, Colorado, Nevada and all I've needed to know is where the public land is.
Why does it seem to shock you that we get to hunt on private land?

 

[cjcj]

deerslayer your just plain stupid! i said you can`t be charged with POACHING in arizona not colorado, then you go on to talk about some unit near estes park, try taking a reading comprehension course! then you say i am wrong[on both topics]when you have no clue about arizona, since that is the case i would`nt trust anything you say about colorado either!

 

[quail hunter]

Status: There is a strip of mostly State Trust land along the southern border of this unit. Most of the remainder of the unit has a ?checkerboard? land status. That is, the land ownership status of alternate sections are different. Some are private and State Trust (State) lands mixed; while others are private and Bureau of Land Management (BLM) lands mixed. Legal hunting is allowed on all State Trust lands and Bureau of Land Management lands, however, access to these lands is not guaranteed. You must have permission to cross private lands to get to these other lands. Some ranches have been closed to hunting in the past.

It is always recommended that hunters obtain permission to hunt on or cross over private land. This allows for good relationships to be built between the hunters and private landowners, and prevents the hunt from being interrupted by having a landowner ask the hunter to leave their land.

Various maps of the area can be purchased at map stores in Arizona. The BLM has some 1:100,000 scale land status maps that are good references when hunting in these units. These maps can be purchased at BLM offices.

Bureau of Land Management Office - Phoenix
222 N. Central
Phoenix, AZ 85004-2208
(602) 417-9200

Bureau of Land Management Office - Safford

This pretty much sums it up, I have been an irresponsible hunter. I stand corrected! This was copied from the regulations for a unit up North but pretty much speaks for the whole state. I will take a home map reading course to educate myself on identifying ownership........ Thanks for staying firm on your posts,
.....QH