publichunter1
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Sorry you had the trouble. It definitely can ruin a hunt. Congrats on the buck!
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"Doxing" and encouraging personal harassment is not exactly the "high road" that I have come to expect from HuntTalkers. Please edit you post and remove the pic. These people were clearly asshats and clear in the wrong, but I don't think stooping to their level advances our cause. Congrats to OP for de-escalating, nothing good comes from angry people with guns.
This is how the anti's react- threaten and harass without bothering to get the whole story or consider long term consequences. Every time you interact with nonhunters, you are an ambassador for our sport. They expect you to be a violent redneck- it validates their prejudices. If you are unable to control your temper, stay away from places that may lead to confrontation. We need to take the high road, because we are out there armed, and any aggression on our part is possibly actionable. I think the OP handled it perfectly. Don't avoid hunting that area, but as satisfying as in-your-face responses may be for some people on a forum, they generally don't end well for anyone concerned. Be firm, be polite, and don't escalate the situation. Involve the authorities early and collect evidence. When hunting in that area, it might be a good idea to carry a printout of the relevant statutes allowing public hunting. It won't make a difference to someone like that, but being on video politely offering the written proof will go a long way in court.is she about 74. if so she is Mary Patricia Williams. pulic online info in screen shoot. googled right up. She may appreciate so e phone calls letting her know what a peach she is and how much it is appreciated. looks lime doe tags are easy to come by in 19 as are buck tags. 2019 HT antelope rendevous sound great.
the addreess matched what is in Onx...for property adjacent to the trust land.
This is how the anti's react- threaten and harass without bothering to get the whole story or consider long term consequences. Every time you interact with nonhunters, you are an ambassador for our sport. They expect you to be a violent redneck- it validates their prejudices. If you are unable to control your temper, stay away from places that may lead to confrontation. We need to take the high road, because we are out there armed, and any aggression on our part is possibly actionable. I think the OP handled it perfectly. Don't avoid hunting that area, but as satisfying as in-your-face responses may be for some people on a forum, they generally don't end well for anyone concerned. Be firm, be polite, and don't escalate the situation. Involve the authorities early and collect evidence. When hunting in that area, it might be a good idea to carry a printout of the relevant statutes allowing public hunting. It won't make a difference to someone like that, but being on video politely offering the written proof will go a long way in court.
I've found that anything posted online will generally come back to bite you. I don't know how, but I'd bet that somehow, posting the video would make it inadmissible as evidence if it goes to court. There is also the consideration that if someone who posted on this thread hunts that area and things get out of control, it could be taken as evidence of premeditation- you went to that area specifically looking for a confrontation, particularly if your post said, "Let's all go hunt there- we'll show 'em!" Lose your temper and say or do something that a reasonable person could interpret as threatening, and suddenly you're on the hook for a felony. If you have evidence that you had hunted that area previously, you could claim tradition, but always keep in mind that if it goes to court, their attorneys will be doing everything they can to paint you as an out-of-state whackjob that spent a lot of time and money to go to that particular area specifically looking for trouble, when there are millions of acres of other public lands you could have chosen. And the jury will be made up largely of local landowners. I'm sure there is another side to this, and if you wind up in court and the other side produces documentation of fences cut, cattle shot, and trespassing, going back several years, suddenly the lines aren't as clear to the jury.
Personal harassment? It's 2018. If you want to do what they did, you better be prepared for your name and face to be blasted all over social media and also receive some emails. Taking your "high road" and just leaving them alone does what exactly? I'm so sick of these POS's threatening people and acting like they own everything with zero repercussions. Just keep our mouth shut and walk away? Imagine if that was a couple young kids just getting into hunting. That confrontation could ruin them for life. F that.
If I was the OP I would be posting those videos all over FB on every fricken account that has to do with Gillette WY.
Personal harassment? It's 2018. If you want to do what they did, you better be prepared for your name and face to be blasted all over social media and also receive some emails. Taking your "high road" and just leaving them alone does what exactly? I'm so sick of these POS's threatening people and acting like they own everything with zero repercussions. Just keep our mouth shut and walk away? Imagine if that was a couple young kids just getting into hunting. That confrontation could ruin them for life. F that.
If I was the OP I would be posting those videos all over FB on every fricken account that has to do with Gillette WY.
I think the OP is doing all the right things as far as reporting to F&G and LEOs. Also fine with pics on the forum as way of raising awareness. It would be great for out of state hunters via various outdoors organizations to remind WY officials that with our funds comes an expectation of even handed law enforcement. But, most rational (and even some irrational) internet forums draw the line at “doxing”, and I do too.
Agree to disagree. I would blast that photo of her and her boys all over the place and the location it happened at along with the videos. The OP did a great job. Hopefully these losers are dealt with but I highly doubt anything will happen and they will just continue doing what they do.
I respect that we disagree, for clarity’s sake only, I do not object to her pic or video. I was referring to your screen shot of a possible home phone number. (That apparently you have taken down, thanks)
This is how the anti's react- threaten and harass without bothering to get the whole story or consider long term consequences. Every time you interact with nonhunters, you are an ambassador for our sport. They expect you to be a violent redneck- it validates their prejudices. If you are unable to control your temper, stay away from places that may lead to confrontation. We need to take the high road, because we are out there armed, and any aggression on our part is possibly actionable. I think the OP handled it perfectly. Don't avoid hunting that area, but as satisfying as in-your-face responses may be for some people on a forum, they generally don't end well for anyone concerned. Be firm, be polite, and don't escalate the situation. Involve the authorities early and collect evidence. When hunting in that area, it might be a good idea to carry a printout of the relevant statutes allowing public hunting. It won't make a difference to someone like that, but being on video politely offering the written proof will go a long way in court.
I've found that anything posted online will generally come back to bite you. I don't know how, but I'd bet that somehow, posting the video would make it inadmissible as evidence if it goes to court. There is also the consideration that if someone who posted on this thread hunts that area and things get out of control, it could be taken as evidence of premeditation- you went to that area specifically looking for a confrontation, particularly if your post said, "Let's all go hunt there- we'll show 'em!" Lose your temper and say or do something that a reasonable person could interpret as threatening, and suddenly you're on the hook for a felony. If you have evidence that you had hunted that area previously, you could claim tradition, but always keep in mind that if it goes to court, their attorneys will be doing everything they can to paint you as an out-of-state whackjob that spent a lot of time and money to go to that particular area specifically looking for trouble, when there are millions of acres of other public lands you could have chosen. And the jury will be made up largely of local landowners. I'm sure there is another side to this, and if you wind up in court and the other side produces documentation of fences cut, cattle shot, and trespassing, going back several years, suddenly the lines aren't as clear to the jury.
??? I did not post a screen shot of phone numbers or photos of anyone ?? I think that was somebody else.
The OP handled this incident very well. I agree with Blake though that nothing will happen. These guys will continue to behave this way without repercussions from the warden or sheriff department. That's just the way things operate in the west.