How important is it?

[rjthehunter]

Not my experience see post #119. That’s real life experience I’ve witnessed. In that instances bullet A transferred 3545ftlbs and bullet B transferred 1934ftlbs. Yet bullet B caused more damage.

Have seen this multiple times

Then shoot a deer with a slug... fat, slow, horrible BC, 1,440 ft lbs of energy at 100 yards, but put a hell of a hole in a deer, causing an intense amount of damage.

 

[The Hedgehog]

This one proves the hunttalk users are not heavy on shoulder seasons, lion hunting and trapping.

 

[VikingsGuy]

Most lead shot is alloyed to make it harder which reduces the deformation of the lead pellets for denser shot patterns and so the pellets retain their velocity for longer distances. The lead core of copper/core bullets us pure lead that is softer and conforms to the bullet shape better than alloyed lead would.

I have seen the lead "cloud" of bullets hitting steel but if there is any lead "cloud" in an animal's flesh I think that it would be contained in the bloodshot mush of the wound cavity, which I cut out and discard. I have recovered dozens of bullets from game animals most of them have a deformed tip or front half of the bullet and the back portion is intact.

Haven’t heard of lead shot fragmenting so my point stands. Shot in use is different than center fire bullets. As for “cloud” google some of the pics. Again, to each their own.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Just buy a crossbow….

 

[brockel]

This one proves the hunttalk users are not heavy on shoulder seasons, lion hunting and trapping.

Knee surgery has me sitting around feelin ornery

 

[VikingsGuy]

You use to be able to buy them in bulk bags to handload. Killed a lot things with them. Had an H&R single shot 7mm-08 that I think I turned into a smooth bore with 140 grain corelokts. I shot a TON of jackrabbits through the summers with that.

Green box core lokt was go to for 30-30 growing up. But now I am fancy and handload. It is a hobby, we can all relax.

 

[Doublecluck]

This one proves the hunttalk users are not heavy on shoulder seasons, lion hunting and trapping.

First and third no, and every time I tell my wife I want to go hunt cougar she gives me a funny look.

 

[VikingsGuy]

First and third no, and every time I tell my wife I want to go hunt cougar she gives me a funny look.

Just tell the wife you are moving the pressure from your honey hole. She will appreciate the thought

 

[Wind Gypsy]

People should get over the energy thing already. It's a distraction.

2 bullets of the same diameter, weight, and velocity but different construction could be expected to have drastically different wounding and tissue damage results even if both dont exit and "transfer all of their energy" in an animal.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

FWIW I observed my iffiest wound channel ever in a dead animal this year with a 108 elite hunter impacting an elk at ~ 2100 fps.

What was the issue? I've been thinking about using them this fall as well have seen enough negative issue with long necks before expanding that an ELD or those 106 TAPs might get the nod.

 

[Doublecluck]

People should get over the energy thing already. It's a distraction.

2 bullets of the same diameter, weight, and velocity but different construction could be expected to have drastically different wounding and tissue damage results even if both dont exit and "transfer all of their energy" in an animal.

What was the issue? I've been thinking about using them this fall as well have seen enough negative issue with long necks before expanding that an ELD or those 106 TAPs might get the nod.

Can’t imagine what the issue was on a 500 lb animal

 

[Wind Gypsy]

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Can’t imagine what the issue was on a 500 lb animal

Are you trying to point to energy numbers? If so I think you're missing the boat and I'll give Carl the benefit of doubt in being able to look at a wound and understand if a bullet behaved like one would want it to at a given impact velocity.

 

[Forkyfinder]

People should get over the energy thing already. It's a distraction.

2 bullets of the same diameter, weight, and velocity but different construction could be expected to have drastically different wounding and tissue damage results even if both dont exit and "transfer all of their energy" in an animal.

If the bullets were the same construction - velocity - and differed in only mass (scaled to different lengths) the higher energy obviously bullet causes more damage.

Then shoot a deer with a slug... fat, slow, horrible BC, 1,440 ft lbs of energy at 100 yards, but put a hell of a hole in a deer, causing an intense amount of damage.

Right, again I don't think a lot of energy is required for a lot of damage. More energy, with the same projectile, will produce more damage. Hydraulic shock and hydrostatic shock is different with different projectiles.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

If the bullets were the same construction - velocity - and differed in only mass (scaled to different lengths) the higher energy obviously bullet causes more damage.

Sure but how is bringing energy #'s into it useful? You don't need to know energy differences between the 2 to know that. In what scenario would a say 180 accubond create an acceptable wound that a 165 accubond wouldn't at the same impact velocity? At what energy level would the 165 become insufficient where the 180 was sufficient? I'd have a hard time thinking of such a scenario and if there were, is it due to the difference in "energy" or sectional density? If there were such a scenario, would a 160 7mm accubond with a higher SD have worked better than a 165 30 cal at the same velocity? The energy numbers are worthless compared understanding how a projectile behaves terminally at a given velocity.

 

[Brian in Montana]

I rarely shoot an animal farther than 300yds, but all else being equal, just use the bullet that bucks a crosswind better. It's about that simple in my mind.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Some run out of clicks quicker. I used to obsess about BC of a bullet. I don't anymore. mtmuley

Some cartridges "run out of clicks quicker" ?
haha

I am glad you're not obsessing about anything. it's unhealthy.

 

[Nick87]

Just buy a crossbow….

 

[noharleyyet]

Just tell the wife you are moving the pressure from your honey hole. She will appreciate the thought

 

[Ought Six]

Man, I guess it's time to step up from core lokt's.

Someone once said core lokts have killed more game than all the other bullets combined. Not sure how to prove it, but someone said it

 

[Nick87]

Someone once said core lokts have killed more game than all the other bullets combined. Not sure how to prove it, but someone said it

I could see that.