Highlake Fishing and Bull Trout

[jmcd]

Well said W.H. on all accounts.

 

[BuzzH]

WH,

Any moron that posts a picture of themselves mistreating a threatened species that could result in getting you a knock on the door by a federal or state agent...what would you say about a person like that?

They're smart?

 

[noharleyyet]

WH,

Any moron that posts a picture of themselves mistreating a threatened species that could result in getting you a knock on the door by a federal or state agent...what would you say about a person like that?

They're smart?

I would say he trusts the security (a nebulous term at best) of this site and the discretion(hopefully not nebulous) of it's members.

What's all this seemingly obsessive denigration regarding chaser's intelligence? Isn't it just another way of saying, "I'm smarter than you"?
BFD.

 

[BuzzH]

NHY,

What discretion do you feel is appropriate for clear violations of the ESA? Dumb or not you deserve what you ask for.

I always did like a good challenge.

 

[noharleyyet]

Buzz, I know you're not threatening to rat Russ out but do believe you wish to publicly humiliate him. You've brought up some damn good points as usual, no argument there, but the personal animosity can't be denied...albeit from both you and Russ.

 

[BuzzH]

If saving OUR wildlife and OUR sport means publicly humiliating someone...I'll do it any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Theres no denying that I know for sure elkcheese is pretty slow and far from the sharpest knife in the drawer...but that still doesnt excuse his shitty attitude toward public wildlife.

Thats the only fact I find important.

 

[noharleyyet]

....good night Buzzer, don't forget to fold your cape before you turn in.

 

[JoseCuervo]

NoHarley,

Keep in mind that the Cheese was the one who bragged that he had a freezer full of Endangered (or Threatened) Salmon from the Salmon River in Idaho (near Salmon). The Cheese also posted pictures of his necrophillia, his beastiality, and his sodomy of wildlife, pictures so repulsive that they were taken down from Hunttalk. The Cheese was also the one, who went out into the forest and dug holes suitable for hiding meth labs and then covered them with branches so that any un-suspecting horse rider could have the joy of having to put his own horse down with a broken leg.

For some reason, the Cheese still can't figure out what he did wrong when he was fishing and catching Bull Trout. There is nothing wrong with being stupid, only with desiring to remain so....

 

[Delw]

Buzz,
Honestly I cant see the line or the dirt.....

Matt.
Would I take a picture of a protected fish if I caught it. yup if it was big enough and I would immed. release it. Would I post it on a website more than likely, One for the simple fact is that I know I handled the fish properly and quickly.
I would also have someone ready with a camera while i was unhooking it.

Pictures can be misleading.

Del, not sure how many years since you salmon and steelhead fished in waters with endangered and threatend species, but most of us know that we are on borrowed time to even be allowed to fish IN water with threatened species, therefore it is incumbent upon fishermen to reduce mortality, and the easiest way to do that is use artificials and a single barbless hook.

As for your Bass, are your tourneys regulated there? The ones up here that I know of have lots of monitoring on the condition of the fish, and if you kill one, you are out of the money, I believe.

Jose.
I have used barbless hooks since the mid 70's for gay bass and salmon I havent been salmon/steelhead fishing since 84 85 , I mainly used a fly rod for all my fishing and barbless hooks was the IN thing to do.

No game and fish doesnt monitor the tournys here unless they here of a problem. or some tourny dir tries to start shit with another tourny dir.
Game and fish also doesnt regulate tournaments. they used too about 7-8 years ago then got out of it due to its more of a burden than anything else.
We/They are trying to figure out a way to allow offsite weigh-ins for bass tournys( which I am against), and also trying to figure out a way to allow tourny anglers to bring in slot fish ( only 2 of out lakes have that) for a weigh-in. Matter of fact I was just talking to the chief of fisheries not more than 3 hours ago about it.
they are putting together a study group to figure out how why and if they can do it. Mainly due to our statutes and the way that our game and fish dept has rules and laws worded.
I didnt know it but it even has to go to our state attorny general for review and acceptance.
I am waiting on a call back from the FLA. game and fish dept to see how they went about putting there program together so I can submit it to azgame and fish and hopefully the could use it as a model so to speak.

This would be on the slot fish exemption for tourny anglers for bass.

• 5 Black bass (largemouth, Suwannee, redeye, spotted, and shoal bass, individually or in total), only one of which may be 22 inches or longer in total length.

The above is directly from the FL regs: http://floridafisheries.com/pdf/Rules-2005-sm.pdf

So how the heck did Rojas manage to weigh-in 5 fish undoubtably greater than 22 inches in length?

The answer is Florida has a "Largemouth Bass Tournament Exemption" Permit.

"The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's Freshwater Fisheries Division issues permits to bass clubs, which grant a temporary exemption to the one bass over 22 inches regulation provided all bass are to be live released.

Application for an exemption permit must be made at least 90 (but no more than 455) days in advance of the scheduled tournament dates.

All tournament participants must waive their right to their daily bag limit of five bass and agree to make a good faith effort to release all fish alive after weigh-in. If possible, all dead fish will be donated to a charitable organization."

This is how FL addressed the dead fish question. Seems they realize it could happen but understand that tournaments make every effort to release their catch alive. And that's OK with them, in fact FL game & fish appears to understand the economic value of tournament fishing and wants to satisfy all segments of their anglers. Here's a link where FL G & F kinda brags on their tournament successes and how local and national circuits are beating on their doors to hold tourneys in FL.

http://floridafisheries.com/updates/bigbass2001.html

CON: Expect "Tournament Guidelines" to be given by Game and Fish

In FL, there are guidelines that must be followed by tournaments granted the exemption. Here's that link:

http://floridafisheries.com/permits/guidelin.pdf

this was posted by a buddy of mine who found this on a topic we were discussing.


Delw

 

[Elkhunter]

Being that Russ is my friend, I have not said anything on this thread with the exception of the first reply. Nice looking lake Russ and nice going on the trout. Here we have a member of the board put up pictures and a short story about his day at a mountain lake. Maybe the way he handled them was wrong, only Russ knows for sure. But as you can see below, he was not being educated, he was being attacked by members of this board, members who have shown their disrespect and hate towards Russ as well as others on here more than once. Certain members of this fine site( that Oscar generously provides for each and every member on here) have a hard on for Russ, and prove it with nearly every reply they make to him. This site is for all of our enjoyment, learning and helping fellow outdoors people, not for the practice of slandering, calling names, humiliating and for publicly trying to make an ass of of another member.

This first quote was from an old post, several years ago, but I felt it was fitting for this thread. The rest of the quotes are all from this thread.

its pretty lopsided on who brings info to the board and who brings trouble. Everyone brings a little of each, but any debate with a few on here is pointless. It isnt debate, its a temper tantrum and an excuse to call names

You really arent too bright are you?

Buzz was trying to provide you with information and advice. Once again, you showed you don't have the capabilities to learn.

Find a clue you loser.

Bottom line, you are ignorant to the laws you break, you refuse to accept education, and you make others view hunters and fishermen in a negative light. You are cancer on our sport.

They like making examples of idiots.

Not only are you clueless, you dont understand the law, or the written English language.



Like I said, these photos are an email away from an appropriate MTFWP Law Enforcement Officer...

If Elkcheese wasn't such a stupid idiot, he would have half a clue and not use bait and hooks if he is "catch and release" on everything like he claims. Using bait and a hook is a sure way to make sure the guts and gills get ripped out and the fish dies.



If the Cheese had a brain, he would be using a single, barbless hook for his catch and release.

Only a friggin' moron could not read this thread and find out how to properly handle a fish when catching and relase. For you to think that Cheese is knowledgable speaks volumes on your ignorance.

Bottom line, as usual, the Cheese was clueless, and despite the efforts of people to edjumacate him (Buzz, MTMiller, Nemont, The Tone, etc...) the guy remains ignorant and in denial.

You truly are clueless. You should probably call the FWP before you dare someone else to turn your dumbass in...unless that problem of you having too much cash laying around needs to be solved.

There is nothing wrong with being stupid, only with desiring to remain so....

Each and every quote, except for the first one, was directed at Russ.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Elkhunter,
Looks like lots of those quotes up there provide edjumacation on how to fish without harming threatened species. You think ol' Cheese is bright enough to learn from them, or is he just going to remain in denial?

 

[Elkhunter]

What I saw was a few were trying to edjumacate others but those same few were doing nothing but being total assholes to Russ.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Do you think the Cheese was able to learn anything? Do you think he will fish in a similar manner in the future?

 

[Wapiti Slayer]

NoHarley,

Keep in mind that the Cheese was the one who bragged that he had a freezer full of Endangered (or Threatened) Salmon from the Salmon River in Idaho (near Salmon). The Cheese also posted pictures of his necrophillia, his beastiality, and his sodomy of wildlife, pictures so repulsive that they were taken down from Hunttalk. The Cheese was also the one, who went out into the forest and dug holes suitable for hiding meth labs and then covered them with branches so that any un-suspecting horse rider could have the joy of having to put his own horse down with a broken leg.

For some reason, the Cheese still can't figure out what he did wrong when he was fishing and catching Bull Trout. There is nothing wrong with being stupid, only with desiring to remain so....

Nice way to twist the whole story Mike, you $*)Q!#@$ loser!!!!!

 

[Elkhunter]

Do you think the Cheese was able to learn anything? Do you think he will fish in a similar manner in the future?

It doesn't really matter if I think he learned anything in this thread or not, nor does it matter if I think he will fish the same way or not. He more than likely would have gained knowledge had he been replied to in a civil manner though instead of the select few coming in here and stirring the pot with all the name calling bullshit that the select few are so noted for. If you were indeed trying to educate and help him, you have a shitty way of doing it. I can see that you are no way trying to do what you say as far as educating him.

 

[ELKCHSR]

guner/sybil has never been for educating any one on this board, this is his own little piss on any one that he can because he would be fired for doing it any where else board..

At least he's consistant with the fact that he needs to be some one elses boy toy...

guner/sybil, you need to come up with new material, your starting to sound like some old woman, dragging crap up from God knows how long back, thinking it will make a difference to any thing..

Fortunatly for every one else around, the only thing you can give is lip service, at least that only makes you as dangerous as some one might take it and no more...

Lets see, "BlustryBlowHardFugg" comes to mind...

Hmmmm that fits...

 

[JoseCuervo]

Good to see the Cheese is steadfast in his refusal for edjumacation.

 

[Washington Hunter]

Jose, seriously...would you want to be "educated" by somebody who does nothing but insult you and call names, not just once but continuously, over and over and over???

No need to reply. I already know the answer.

 

[JoseCuervo]

WH,
I learn from all people, those I like and those I don't. And probably some of my best lessons in life have been from people who were correct and could get "under my skin". I am not so narrow minded that I can only learn from those who pat me on the head.

As a hunter and fisherman, don't you think YOU have a responsibility to edjumacate those who break the law or show poor taste? Does your looking the other way help or hurt our sport?

 

[Washington Hunter]

Jose, Just think if it was your first time at Hunt Talk and you come across the Elkchsr's Bull Trout thread. After reading through all the replies, how would you feel about the way people are "educated" here?

Have you learned anything from danr55? Seems like he's attempted to "edjumacate" you in the past (more than once.)