Hey NEMONT: Policing wildlife cheaters no easy task

[Ten Bears]

RENO, Nevada (AP) -- Faced with the daunting task of protecting wildlife across the remote reaches of the West, game wardens are using professional savvy, a gift of gab and a bit of technology to snare big game cheaters who commit fraud and even identity theft to illegally obtain coveted wildlife licenses.

"They're criminals with guns is what they are," said Craig Sax, a game warden in Cody, Wyoming.

It's all too common for hunters to claim residence in states where they don't live because states generally reserve the most tags for their residents. Resident sportsmen's licenses also typically cost much less than nonresident licenses, with the price difference escalating for big-game tags. In Nevada, an out-of-state elk tag costs $1,000 more than a resident tag.

"People from all walks of life do it," said Russ Pollard of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. "It's your doctors, your lawyers, professional people."

A former Nevada state wildlife commissioner and his son pleaded no contest last month to providing false information to obtain a resident hunting license for the son, who lived in Utah.

In Wyoming, a top prosecutor for Salt Lake County, Utah, pleaded no contest to 10 wildlife license violations, though he retained the right to appeal.


One hunter in Utah applied for big game tags using the names of more than a dozen people, many of them old girlfriends, said Rudy Musclow of the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources.

Others make up names, or use the name of a friend or someone who's dead, officials said.

"They'll give different addresses, different dates of birth, and try to portray themselves as totally different people to enhance their opportunities," said Rob Buonamici of the Nevada Department of Wildlife.

Substantial losses
Investigating license fraud is difficult and time consuming. And with wardens responsible for policing thousands of square miles, many if not most cases go undetected.

Nevada has 35 field wardens to cover 110,000 square miles. Utah has 72.

"When you get thousands of hunters in the state, the chance of being checked are very slim," Musclow conceded.

Though it's difficult to tell how much license cheaters cost state wildlife agencies -- most are funded primarily by license and other user fees -- officials say the losses are substantial.

"In my opinion, we feel we are losing lots and lots of money by people doing this," said Glenn Smith of the Colorado Division of Wildlife.

The Colorado agency reported 54 violations of people making false statements to obtain licenses in 2002, and more than 1,000 in the decade from 1993 to 2002. Last year in Oregon, 65 citations were issued for residency license or tag violations.

And Smith estimated less than 5 percent of license fraud cases are detected. Officials in other states couldn't provide statistics, but agreed the problem is common.

"The potential for our state alone is hundreds of people a year," said Sax in Wyoming.

License fraud victimizes habitat and animals that come under increased pressure from hunters, and residents whose opportunities are limited by increased competition.

Hunting and fishing fees are the "gasoline that runs the engine of wildlife conservation," Sax said.

Spotting cheaters
In a move to better detect such fraud, Colorado recently automated its licensing system.

Ron Day, law enforcement coordinator for the Arizona Game and Fish Department, said more cheaters will be caught as states convert to computerized licensing systems instead of handwritten permits sold by local vendors.

"We're real close (to) where everything will be on a computer," said Day, who said that will allow states to share information.

In the field, officers rely on professional savvy and a smooth tongue to spot cheaters.

It can be as simple as noticing an out-of-state plate on the vehicle of a hunter who produces a resident license.

Or through casual conversation, officers may learn the sportsman doesn't know the area, or even his supposed hometown, said Lt. Walt Markee, wildlife investigator with the Oregon State Police.

"Our officers are always looking for things like that," he said.

Fines can vary widely, from less than $100 to more than $10,000, depending on the state and whether a hunter used the illegally obtained license to secure a game tag and bag an animal.

For many cheaters, however, the fines are of little concern.

"They'll just write a check," said Mark Earnhardt of the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks.

But officials say they have a new tool that is giving cheats pause. They now can take away what violators crave most -- the thrill of the hunt.

Banning hunters
Nineteen states around the West and as far east as Maryland have joined the Wildlife Violator Compact -- a list started in 1991 and containing the names of the most serious offenders. Names of people barred from hunting for wildlife violations are shared among participating states. Violators cannot get a hunting license in any of the states.

"The momentum has really caught on," Nevada's Buonamici said. "The public loves it, and it takes the bad guys out of the picture."

About 3,660 people are on the banned list.

"It's a deterrent we've never had," Earnhardt said. "When they find out their privileges are revoked, they get shaky."

Pollard said the goal is to get all 50 states on board. One notable holdout now is Alaska, but that is something Sgt. Burke Waldron of that state's wildlife investigations unit hopes to change. Though Alaska law recognizes license revocations from other states, it's difficult to track, Waldron said.

"We don't know if someone's been revoked," he said. "If we were part of the compact, we'd get notified if they were on the list."

But officers say for effective law enforcement, there's no substitute for tips to poaching hot lines from honest hunters.

"A lot of times these people just can't shut their mouth," Earnhardt said. "They're going to tell someone.

"We certainly can't underplay the value of people," he said. "The ones they turn in are the ones who've covered their tracks and we probably wouldn't have caught otherwise."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/10/11/wildlife.cheaters.ap/index.html
Pay close attentoin to the part where the guy says he thinks their only catching about 5%....

 

[Nemont]

So Ten you would favor banning those caught doing wrong on ATV's as well?

Suppose in the near future we will be hearing the same thing quoted below regarding ATV's? Bet we will.

"The momentum has really caught on," Nevada's Buonamici said. "The public loves it, and it takes the bad guys out of the picture."

Show me where I ever said that there weren't bad people doing bad things while hunting. I have never condoned any of those actions so I am curious why you are calling me out.

I have posted a rebuttal to your theory, or as you call it an analogy, that one problem is nonriders turning in riders on legal trails. Just like the hunters who are banned in many states I think the same should apply to ATVer's who violate the law consistently.

Do you think that it is any easier to catch outlaw riders who ride year round? I don't know what your point is with the post but it appears you affirmed everything that has been argued regarding ATV's. That it should lead to banning them.

Nemont

 

[Ten Bears]

NEMONT, I'm not "calling you out". I'm calling this to your attenttion. Didn't you want more information then just my opinion?

I think that illegal riders should lose their drivers license if the crime is bad enough, ie. drunk riding on public lands/roads/trails, willful detruction of riparian areas & wetlands (that wouldn't include riding on an approved trail/road through the areas). I think that those that violate the law consistantly should have their drivers license suspended (that works in all states without any special agreement, right?)just like traffic laws. I also think that parents should be held accountable for their unlicensed kids when the kids are riding. Another thing I believe is that all ATVs need to be insured, and that if something is "damaged" due to an "accident", then an accident report needs to be filed, and their insurance pays up, if they aint got insurance(?), start forking over some cash. Most courts take payment plans, why not public land agencies?

But officers say for effective law enforcement, there's no substitute for tips to poaching hot lines from honest hunters.

"A lot of times these people just can't shut their mouth," Earnhardt said. "They're going to tell someone.

"We certainly can't underplay the value of people," he said. "The ones they turn in are the ones who've covered their tracks and we probably wouldn't have caught otherwise."

 

[Muledeer4me]

Good post Ten Bears.


"Just like the hunters who are banned in many states I think the same should apply to ATVer's who violate the law consistently. "

Nemont, I agree with that.

What I dont agree with is the people that want ALL ATV's banned because of the moron's that can't or won't play by the rule's.

Wouldn't placing a ban on ATV's be the same as placing a ban on hunting because of the high number of people who commit fraud and even identity theft to illegally obtain coveted wildlife licenses.


In each case it's the person that has chosen to ignore the law not ,either with a ATV or a firearm.
Neither item alone is bad or will do damage, the common thing is adding the moron factor .

 

[Ithaca 37]

OK, Let's see the Blue Ribbon Coalition and all the other fatassed ATV groups start putting their money where their mouth is and lobby for laws to ban ATV riders in all states when they've been caught doing something illegal.

You know it will never happen. They won't even lobby for tougher penalties, let alone "Banned Lists". They'll talk about education, etc., but they know it's not working. All they ever do is blow a lot of smoke and accomplish nothing. And we get the fatassed ATV defenders here doing the same thing------blow a lot of smoke about what somebody else oughta do, but do nothing themselves. They've all been duped by the BRC, which is nothing but a front for the ATV industry, into spouting the industry line about education and not doing anything that actually works.

 

[Muledeer4me]

"All they ever do is blow a lot of smoke and accomplish nothing. And we get the fatassed ATV defenders here doing the same thing------blow a lot of smoke "


ROFLMAO, if anyone would know about blowing something it's you .LOL

 

[Ten Bears]

An expert opinion on blowing hot air?????? From an expert???????

 

[Ithaca 37]

How about educating me about what the fatassed crowd is doing to toughen up penalties for ATV violations?

 

[BuzzH]

Ithaca, good question, but you wont get an answer, you did just ended the debate though....

 

[cjcj]

I thought it was a good post Ten...

You just showed how easy it is to commmit "fraud" when getting Big game tags/licences. Thats why we have "illegals" doing it along with others...we need some kind of reform/verification ..why does it always go back to ATV`s? ....maybee a litttle jail time?...an ass kicking?

 

[Ithaca 37]

cjcj, "why does it always go back to ATV`s?"

Maybe 'cuz they're the most visible problem and such an aggravation to most people. Besides, I like commenting on the fatasses.

 

[Ten Bears]

Yet the topic dealt with hunting violators, and ATVs weren't even mentioned in the article......
So the fatasses you like here are all hunters.