shannerdrake
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I never dreamed that a “Healthy Bread” thread would rival a “Montana Mule Deer” thread in controversy.
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Strawberry or grape?Uncrustables are arguably the greatest hunting food made. They have enough air in the package to keep them from getting crushed in your pack. Taste awesome. And most gas stations have them.
I’ve shot a buck with a bite of Uncrustables still in my mouth. I’ve also missed a deer, used and Uncrustables to rebuild my mental state, stayed on stand, and later killed a deer.
Costco combo pack bro. Why choose when you can have both?Strawberry or grape?
They’re so good it’s easy to lose count how many have been consumed in a day. Especially with a Costco box.Costco combo pack bro. Why choose when you can have both?
But strawberry if I had to choose one.
I did a 15 hour all day sit a couple seasons ago. Prime rut, best stand on the property. Saw zero deer.They’re so good it’s easy to lose count how many have been consumed in a day. Especially with a Costco box.
I took one as part of my unused biology degree. It was kinda fun. So I guess I’ll pitch in here.I could suggest a course in biochemistry, but it would be a waste of time.
I was referring to protein metabolism, but that is a good discussion.I took one as part of my unused biology degree. It was kinda fun.
So I guess I’ll pitch in here. The bread we eat is not the bread our ancestors ate. The flour we make it with is not the same. Neither is the water.
Our flour starts with wheat treated with anti-fungals to improve long term storage. Then during grinding, the bran and germ is stripped away to leave white flour. After, it’s mixed with sugar, chlorinated water, and copious amounts of pure yeast, to rise in the space of a couple hours. Instead of no sugar, unchlorinated water, and a complex, diverse mix of yeast and bacteria to ferment over the course of a day.
Some of this was a necessary evil- I’d rather not starve to death, or have dysentery at every turn, or go into mycotoxic shock, so I get it. But it takes a toll, as we’re either killing off our gut bacteria, or allowing the bulk of the fermentation that used to happen on the counter to happen in our guts. Not to mention the nutritional quality being so vastly reduced from the lack of diverse fermentation species that produce a number of vitamins.
Europeans eat a boatload of bread, yet they don’t have the health issues Americans have. You want to have healthy bread? Sourdough (the real stuff) is a good start- just cut out the shelf stable cap that you’ll never get anything to grow on. Because you have to remember- there are more cells of bacteria in you that help digest your food, than there are total cells of YOU. So try not to kill off the little bastards at every turn?
Great post. This garbage show up in near about everything the US calls "food". Please, for God's sake, turn back the eating in your life about 150 years. You'll be glad.I took one as part of my unused biology degree. It was kinda fun.
So I guess I’ll pitch in here. The bread we eat is not the bread our ancestors ate. The flour we make it with is not the same. Neither is the water.
Our flour starts with wheat treated with anti-fungals to improve long term storage. Then during grinding, the bran and germ is stripped away to leave white flour. After, it’s mixed with sugar, chlorinated water, and copious amounts of pure yeast, to rise in the space of a couple hours. Instead of no sugar, unchlorinated water, and a complex, diverse mix of yeast and bacteria to ferment over the course of a day.
Some of this was a necessary evil- I’d rather not starve to death, or have dysentery at every turn, or go into mycotoxic shock, so I get it. But it takes a toll, as we’re either killing off our gut bacteria, or allowing the bulk of the fermentation that used to happen on the counter to happen in our guts. Not to mention the nutritional quality being so vastly reduced from the lack of diverse fermentation species that produce a number of vitamins.
Europeans eat a boatload of bread, yet they don’t have the health issues Americans have. You want to have healthy bread? Sourdough (the real stuff) is a good start- just cut out the shelf stable cap that you’ll never get anything to grow on. Because you have to remember- there are more cells of bacteria in you that help digest your food, than there are total cells of YOU. So try not to kill off the little bastards at every turn?
After lots of research (not just fakebook) I went almost totally carnivore. I'm down more than I have been in four years. Plus, it tastes good.So lots of joking around and opinions on here. But also lots of great information.
Humans are complex and what is good for one isn’t good for another. My wife can’t eat gluten. I can. My friend is allergic to red meat. Not me. So a diet rich in whole wheat would not be ideal for my wife and a red meat carnivore diet would kill my friend.
A lot of what is “healthy” depends on you and your needs. No matter how you slice it (see what I did there?), bread is a highly processed food. Even “whole grain” bread is processed. You literally mill it down to a powder, mix it with other things, shape it into a form, then cook it. For some people that is an issue, for others not at all. Bread is to a whole grain what a hot dog is to a pork chop.
When we learned of my wife’s problem with gluten, we went the alternative bread/cardboard route for awhile but eventually decided to save our money and calories and moved away from bread and bread-like foods and replaced that with veggies, fruits, and yes more meats. Our overall health improved. We still do bread sometimes as a treat (Uncrustables during deer season or bread on the table at a nice dinner out).
We have been experimenting with old method sourdough and ancient grains. There is a local baker who has a 100+ year old sourdough starter that has been passed down by his family. And he mills his own grain in-house and has a 100% einkorn wheat loaf. We have found that my wife handles that very well and I’ve found it digests well for me. I’ve in the last year started playing around with long cold fermented einkorn bread at home and have had similarly good results. Although it definitely behaves differently than “traditional” (which is actually modern) wheat.
So to the OP, you need to narrow in on what “healthy” means to you and then take it from there. I’d also like to personally thank you for starting the best Lightning Rod Thread of 2024 (so far).
Close to same diet. Heart attack at 45 and proud owner of two stents.Zero supplements. Zero medications. I'm 56 and healthy as ever. Look up Shawn Baker on YouTube.
Edit: actually I should say, I have eaten things other than "red meat." Like sardines, salmon, clams, etc. But, nothing other than meat and eggs.
I’m going to argue that modern bread is to wheat what tofu hot dogs are to pork chops, but traditional bread is more like pork sausage compared to pork chops.So lots of joking around and opinions on here. But also lots of great information.
Humans are complex and what is good for one isn’t good for another. My wife can’t eat gluten. I can. My friend is allergic to red meat. Not me. So a diet rich in whole wheat would not be ideal for my wife and a red meat carnivore diet would kill my friend.
A lot of what is “healthy” depends on you and your needs. No matter how you slice it (see what I did there?), bread is a highly processed food. Even “whole grain” bread is processed. You literally mill it down to a powder, mix it with other things, shape it into a form, then cook it. For some people that is an issue, for others not at all. Bread is to a whole grain what a hot dog is to a pork chop.
When we learned of my wife’s problem with gluten, we went the alternative bread/cardboard route for awhile but eventually decided to save our money and calories and moved away from bread and bread-like foods and replaced that with veggies, fruits, and yes more meats. Our overall health improved. We still do bread sometimes as a treat (Uncrustables during deer season or bread on the table at a nice dinner out).
We have been experimenting with old method sourdough and ancient grains. There is a local baker who has a 100+ year old sourdough starter that has been passed down by his family. And he mills his own grain in-house and has a 100% einkorn wheat loaf. We have found that my wife handles that very well and I’ve found it digests well for me. I’ve in the last year started playing around with long cold fermented einkorn bread at home and have had similarly good results. Although it definitely behaves differently than “traditional” (which is actually modern) wheat.
So to the OP, you need to narrow in on what “healthy” means to you and then take it from there. I’d also like to personally thank you for starting the best Lightning Rod Thread of 2024 (so far).
This -We use Dave's Killer Bread... favorite is White Done Right but their 21 grain is probably healthier. Both contain sugar.
Bobby Kennedy is running on this as part of his platform; Big Food is poisoning America, which is unquestionably true. Although I think the Pharma/Food conspiracy is a stretch. I've worked in corporate, and, trust me, they aren't that smart.Real bread has 3 and only 3 ingredients. Flour, water, salt (starter is just flour/water with active bacteria). My wife has been making sourdough bread at home for a few years. In the last few months she'd had stomach pains and issues. We've refined our diet more and now eat just whole real foods. Raw unpasteurized milk, unpasteurized eggs too from a neighbor, meat from a cow from a farm just down the road that ate grass, she changed our flour to Kamut (non gmo and glysophate free), cut out ALL seed oils and processed foods. She is better now. Her and I have our best bloodwork we've had maybe ever. It's showing in our health.
Making your own bread is a big deal and cutting out all processed foods and seed oils/chemicals will make a huge difference in your health. It's no coincidence america suffers from an epidemic of cancer, and other diseases. Food is in cahoots with pharma, its all about money. They cant make money off healthy people. Make yourself hard to kill and live a healthy life. Or not. It's up to you.
If you do want to make your own sourdough, my wife just told me she'd mail you dehydrated starter to get you started for free. PM me if your interested.