FWP lies about Corner Crossing

[sclancy27]

Because they think they own the “land” The water flows over. See Colorado, for example.

Or WY

 

[Elky Welky]

Some "clarity" on an issue that remains quite unclear. From MT-BHA:

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/thinking_about_corner_crossing_in_montana_read_this_first

 

[Elky Welky]

And if you are new to this issue, this was in both the Billings Gazette and Helena IR today: https://helenair.com/podcasts/corne...cle_7bc7a35c-06df-11ee-9569-eb3cdd07033c.html

 

[Irrelevant]

Some "clarity" on an issue that remains quite unclear. From MT-BHA:

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/thinking_about_corner_crossing_in_montana_read_this_first

I found that to be well structured summary of the issue. Thanks for the post

 

[LopeHunter]

Which they can't. There is neither code nor case law that makes corner crossing in Montana illegal or legal. The legislature writes the laws, the judiciary interprets them, but the executive branch, in my view, has no authority to declare the law as they see fit.

Montana FWP unveils its newly designed official vehicle.

 

[Elky Welky]

This is incredible: the BLM is stepping up and directing State agencies to implement corner crossing. This will put pressure on FWP.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...3a03f14b5.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

 

[Beignet]

This is incredible: the BLM is stepping up and directing State agencies to implement corner crossing. This will put pressure on FWP.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...3a03f14b5.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

Old Fred E. probably doesn’t have a friend left in the world at this point. Joe Public Land clearly thinks he’s a jerk, and now old Joe Corner Landowner is going to blame him for ruining their good thing by pressing the issue.

 

[Elky Welky]

Old Fred E. probably doesn’t have a friend left in the world at this point. Joe Public Land clearly thinks he’s a jerk, and now old Joe Corner Landowner is going to blame him for ruining their good thing by pressing the issue.

Fred E. probably doesn't have many friends, but he still has money, and is shelling out for an appeal. Fingers crossed he gets slapped down by the 10th Circuit.

 

[Nameless Range]

This is incredible: the BLM is stepping up and directing State agencies to implement corner crossing. This will put pressure on FWP.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...3a03f14b5.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

Kind of cool to see the feds in favor, but the BLM really has no say in MT State Law - both criminal and civil - right? Like what does it mean for a federal land agency to "implement" CC? Or is it just good because it's bringing the issue closer to a head?

Just as an aside, Sonya Germann, the new BLM State Director in Billings, is as top notch as they come.

 

[Elky Welky]

Kind of cool to see the feds in favor, but the BLM really has no say in MT State Law - both criminal and civil - right? Like what does it mean for a federal land agency to "implement" CC? Or is it just good because it's bringing the issue closer to a head?

Just as an aside, Sonya Germann, the new BLM State Director in Billings, is as top notch as they come.

Spot on @Nameless Range. There's a very interesting legal question at the heart of this. Which takes priority? The State interest and jurisdiction over private land civil and trespass laws, or the Federal interest and jurisdiction over public lands?

I would not be surprised in the least if a lawsuit comes out of the AGs office against the BLM, and we get a court ruling that answers that question.

 

[Elky Welky]

And just like that, they walked it back. I think Dir. Stone-Manning might have been shooting from the hip a little (though she was definitely pointing the gun in the right direction).

https://wyofile.com/feds-walk-back-blm-boss-corner-crossing-directive/

 

[Elky Welky]

It begins. A case is being tried in Broadwater Co. which could have far reaching consequences:

https://billingsgazette.com/outdoor...cle_b6ae340a-6d31-11ee-8290-1f6150446485.html

 

[MThuntr]

It begins. A case is being tried in Broadwater Co. which could have far reaching consequences:

https://billingsgazette.com/outdoor...cle_b6ae340a-6d31-11ee-8290-1f6150446485.html

Nameless Range posted a link to a similar article. It seems that case, as presented in the other article, is more trespass than corner cross and will likely only hurt the issue as presented.

 

[Elky Welky]

Nameless Range posted a link to a similar article. It seems that case, as presented in the other article, is more trespass than corner cross and will likely only hurt the issue as presented.

It's the same article. @Nameless Range and I like to race each other to posting these things. I was in court when the article dropped so I couldn't get it posted. I did respond on that thread. Would love to see your thoughts on my response there too. Thanks @Mthuntr

 

[Pucky Freak]

So the dude sets foot on private ground and gets cited. Can we all stop calling it a corner crossing case now?

 

[Big Sky Guy]

So the dude sets foot on private ground and gets cited. Can we all stop calling it a corner crossing case now?

If that’s true, yes. Must be proven in court first.

Time will tell.

 

[Elky Welky]

If that’s true, yes. Must be proven in court first.

Time will tell.

Exactly. As I mentioned elsewhere, of course the landowner will claim they have evidence he trespassed whether he did or not. Regardless, he’s entitled to due process and the presumption of innocence. He’s not guilty of having done anything until a jury of his peers says so.

 

[mtmiller]

So the dude sets foot on private ground and gets cited. Can we all stop calling it a corner crossing case now?

Seems a little young to be called a dude.. Poor fella probably didn’t know where he was crawling.

 

[Pucky Freak]

Should have followed her example.

 

[BourbonSnowCone]

Knowing that specific corner on G/T and Sangray, hopefully no one tries to use this case as the MT litmus test for corner crossing. This is not the one to do it on. No GoFundMe or anything. If Sangray is found guilty, the AG’s will crow about how this is proof that corner crossing is an illegal taking and trespass of private property rights. BHA and others need to actually read the article and realize there’s likely proof Sangray actually trespassed, not corner crossed. This is not the Elk Mountain case.