friggin wolves must die!!

[schmalts]

I am sick of hearing the liberals hugging the wolves. In WI where i live the media has hardly made anything out of the recent 22yr old guy killed by wolves. But finnaly today i read a small artical in the Milwaukee paper.
It said that the WI DNR reports a wolf population in WI to be 400 animals. I call bullshi# on those numbers. it is higher. Here is what really gets me. The DNR between april and sept of this year shot 30 problem wolves before getting shut down by the feds. That means that the DNR shot 8% of the wolf population in one year for being problematic in my state. So, you guys starting to realize why the state once had a bounty on these things?
if the state DNR shot that many, how many others were shot under the SSS rule, and what really is the population in WI?? Any animal that needs to be shot out by such a high percentage for being problematic (how many more would have been killed if the feds didnt shut them down?)makes you wonder why we even have them, does it not?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Schmalts,

Why don't you want wolves in WI? Weren't they there before you?

 

[BigHornRam]

Schmalt's,

You're not going postal are you?

 

[cjcj]

Schmalts,

Why don't you want wolves in WI? Weren't they there before you?

OK lets bring back the dinosoars...

 

[schmalts]

Schmalts,

Why don't you want wolves in WI? Weren't they there before you?

Lets bring Grizz to live in downtown Bozeman, lets let american indians repossess all our homes and land. they were here first.... are you not reading this Jose? 8% of a species needed to be killed by a govt agency in one year for being problematic! its pretty easy to see wisconsin is not a wild enough place for wolves to live in anymore. It is very populated compared to ID and MT, and human contact is all too much reality. They are not afraid of humans here because they are not hunted. You see them eating a deer carcass on the road side and do not run off if you stop your car. there are killing hunters dogs all the time, they have chased and treed hunters and loggers this year. this is not the place for wolves, at least in those kind of numbers. Any animal that needs to be thinned out 8% for being problematic in one year is called "vermin" or "varmits" in my book

 

[JoseCuervo]

So it is mostly just cuz you are scared of them???

 

[schmalts]

yea, frightened of them. i cower when i go in the woods thinking of the big bad wolf.
my biggest point is that they are varmin plain and simple, and cause enough problems that ever under protection the DNR had to eliminate 8% of them in one year alone. What does that say for the species?

 

[mtmiller]

Schmalts, we will have to disagree on this one (and your ugly too). I haven't heard about the wolf killing the 10-pointer counter, but I will take your word for it. How many people have been killing in WI by wolves during the last century? Are deer on the verge of extirpation in WI? How many people were killed by deer on the highways during the last 10 years in WI? Should we be worried about too many of them as well?

I think you do some hunting in area where there are wolves. How many have you seen? Did any of them try chasing you down? Any links to articles about wolves treeing lumberjacks and hunters (you know how that liberal media is, so maybe they know it happens, but just don't report it )

This is not the first time I have heard you get up in arms over wolves in WI, so I know you are passionate about it. What specifically is at stake for you with the current wolf population? Killing pets, killing too many deer, killing or harassing wood choppers and hunters?

I must be in SI again, as everytime there is something contraversial, a liberal had something to do with it. This time it is not only the media, but the WI DNR as well.

Me thinks Pat need to go ice fishing.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Wasn't it about a year ago that a hunter in WI or MN was killing other hunters?

Schmaltz logic would dictate that Hunters must be removed.

 

[schmalts]

Miller, all of the above reasons you stated is why i think wolves should be fair game. I feel they are past thier management goal, and have spread out of the areas they should have stayed in where there is no human contact. Why is it we are allowed to blast the shit out of coyotes and not wolves? the wolf that killed a hunter was in Sask i think, didnt remember that part. As far as the media, yes they do cover it up. This human killing was over a month ago and now it is first showing up as a real story. What's the reason for that?

 

[JoseCuervo]

What part of Wisconsin is Sask in?

 

[JoseCuervo]

Hey Schmaltz,
It turns out that Sasketchewan isn't in Wisconsin. Turns out, it isn't even in the US. It is in some other country.... Not sure which one....

And as for your Chicken Little "sky is falling" fear of Wolves, based on a couple of wolves eating some guy from some foreign country, perhaps you should read the rest of the story. It turns out they weren't wild wolves, they werent in Wisc, and the guy deserved it....

Death could be rare wolf attackINVESTIGATION: Officials are investigating whether a Canadian man was killed by wolves that he may have been feeding.BY JOHN MYERSNEWS TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERScientists and wildlife officials are investigating what appears to be the first documented case of healthy wolves killing a human in North America.
The attack took place in November at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake, Saskatchewan.
The body of 22-year-old Kenton Joel Carnegie was found Nov. 8. Officials say the Oshawa, Ontario, man appeared to have been attacked by four wolves that had been eating garbage in the area for some time and likely had lost their fear of people.
There's some indication that Carnegie and others had been interacting with the wolves at close range, possibly feeding the animals, said Paul Paquet, a Canadian wolf expert conducting the investigation into the attack.
The fact the wolves were being fed in a developed area makes it less noteworthy than if the attack had been by truly wild wolves, experts said.
Carnegie was a geology student who was in the area as part of his studies. The former wilderness area is a hotbed for uranium mining, as well as gold and diamond exploration.
At least two wolves suspected in the attack have been shot, and an examination by Paquet found cloth, hair and flesh in the large intestine that resembled human remains. A final report on the attack is expected by mid-January, Paquet said.
"There's an indication the wolves were eating at garbage dumps as well as being fed by people directly," Paquet said Friday.
It's not unheard of for wolves to attack people, but the animals usually are fought off or run away when they realize they've attacked a person. Researchers had been unable to find a case where a person died from a wolf attack.
Minnesota has about 2,500 wolves in the northern half of the state. The northern third of the state has some of the highest wolf densities in the world, partly because wolves thrive on the abundant deer, which are easier to kill than moose, their primary food in most areas. Wisconsin and Michigan each have about 250 wolves.
Wolves occasionally are seen in developed areas in the Northland, even within Duluth city limits, but usually flee if people are near.
The animals remain fully protected in Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan, although federal trappers kill dozens of wolves each year in Minnesota near where livestock have been attacked.
Walter Medwed, executive director of the Ely-based International Wolf Center, said the attack shows the need for people to keep their distance from all wild animals.
"We have more wolves now, and we have more people moving into wolf range, into the woods, so there's going to be more interaction," Medwed said. "The lesson here is to not interact with any wild animals, bears, wolves, coyotes, even raccoons. Give them their space and leave them alone, and they will usually leave us alone."
Medwed and others are concerned that some people will use the Saskatchewan attack as a reason to relax wolf protections or to illegally shoot or trap wolves.
"If people just read the headline and don't see the real story, don't see the wolves involved were habituated to humans and used to eating garbage, I'm afraid they might use this as an excuse to villain-ize wolves," Medwed said. "The reality of anyone being hurt by wolves is infinitesimal."

 

[mtmiller]

Well, one of my questions was were they killing too many deer. If that is in fact true, you may want to change where your location is.

Location: Wisconsin, land of too many damn deer and not enough Elk!!

Alright, all kidding aside, I don't have a problem with there being a regulated season for wolves in WI. Manage the species and harvest some if the population can be mantained at specific managment objective levels. I disagree with your statement...

its pretty easy to see wisconsin is not a wild enough place for wolves to live in anymore

From that statement it seems apparent that one wolf in WI is one wolf too many in your opinion.

 

[schmalts]

Jose, i know you are an idiot but do you get my point at all? you say these wolves were not wild anymore due to human contact. Since you are an idiot i will try to elaborate a little more. Seems that wolves are no longer wild when they get too much human contact, 8% of wisconsins wolves were killed in one year for problems, Seems to me wisconsin has too many wolves living with nofear of humans and being problematic.
Miller, i can deal with one wolf its the rest that need to go.
How would you feel if Ax was torn to little bitty parts by wolves because he wandered a hundred yards away from the cabin you stayed at this summer?
This has happened all to many times. In our local news we get a lot of little blurbs of wolves in small towns acting like they have no fear. Killing dogs is all too common here. Its time to thin the herd

 

[JoseCuervo]

Schmaltz,
So you are advocating we remove anything from the wilds that might cause us or our pets a danger? Maybe we should put in bike pathes instead of trails. Remove all the rocks so nobody trips and falls. Remove the trees so nobody falls out of one....

There are some inherent risks in going outside. People can either accept the risks, or they can watch other people do so from the comfort of their La-Z-Boy in front of the TV.

 

[mtmiller]

How would you feel if Ax was torn to little bitty parts by wolves because he wandered a hundred yards away from the cabin you stayed at this summer?

Pretty sure I would have been pissed. Also would have been pissed if someone grabbed him out of the back of my pick-up, or if he would have drown while I had him out on the big water or run over by someone else that was staying at the cabin or drinking anti-freeze that was in the garage.

Point--lots of things can kill my dog. My job to make sure he doesn't get into those situations. The least of my worries would have been from him getting it from a pack of wolves. Killing all the wolves in WI to protect my dog doesn't hold much water in my opinion.

How many people are killed by griz every year? Probably not many, but obviously higher than any wolf packs. Do we need to kill them all? Don't tell me there is no bear/human interaction because bears are in remote, humanless areas. I don't want to be eaten by a bear, but I do think it is pretty cool to have them in Montana and one day there will be a hunting season (off topic, sorry).

Anyway, I will ask again, how many wolves have you seen in WI and how have they affected your pets/kids and are they eradicating the deer where you hunt?

I like the last sentence from the article you refered to in the first post.

"If people just read the headline and don't see the real story, don't see the wolves involved were habituated to humans and used to eating garbage, I'm afraid they might use this as an excuse to villain-ize wolves," Medwed said. "The reality of anyone being hurt by wolves is infinitesimal."

 

[schmalts]

Schmaltz,
So you are advocating we remove anything from the wilds that might cause us or our pets a danger?

No, they shouldnt be removed from the wilds, but have you ever been to wisconsin? there isnt much "wilds" here where a lot of the wolves live, thats the reason 8% of them were killed by the DNR.

 

[Moosie]

Schmalts.. take your Beating like a man and Stop

 

[cjcj]

The Question is? Why introduce something "dangerous" that didn`t make it....on its own..... hump



Jose your comical.

Schmaltz,
So you are advocating we remove anything from the wilds that might cause us or our pets a danger? Maybe we should put in bike pathes instead of trails. Remove all the rocks so nobody trips and falls. Remove the trees so nobody falls out of one....

 

[JoseCuervo]

Moosie,

It is ok for Schmaltz to keep getting beat. He must enjoy it.....

Hey Schmaltz,

Which do you think killed more people in Wisc last year, deer or Wolves?

Is this map accurate?