When I got the deer at 5 feet I was 12 years old. I was hunting with the family and walking along a deep gully with lots of fingers coming off of it. I stepped to the edge of one of them when the doe decided exit the same time. I just held the 25-20 straight in front of me toward her ear and pulled the trigger. Why she stopped who knows but I had my first deer.
Forgotten Calibers
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antelopedundee
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It's a series now available on Netflix about building the Continental Railroad. IIRC it starts with the railway west of Council Bluffs.
Losing_Sanity
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It's interesting that some cartridges are similar in other countries. There might be some simple deviations, but they are real close in many ways. It's like human nature drew developers in the same direction as they looked for functionality and performance. And that some have become scarce while others have thrived depending on popularity and marketing. Some of the scarce calibers have been really great performers.
Losing_Sanity
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One interesting round was the 8mm German Mauser. It gained some popularity for a while but you don't hear much anymore about an 8 mm. My understanding is, it was real close in performance to the 30-06 but bullet selection and options was not great.
Sir, I was hoping someone with more knowledge than I would respond. The 8mm mauser is in fact similar to the 30-06, perhaps a bit weaker and some still have and use them in Europe, not so much anymore in Africa.
One of the problems has been the fact the the 8mm is also the 7.92 x 57, 8 x 57 and the 318 mauser ( not to be confused with the 318 Westley Richards which has a bore size if 330 ). To further complicate the matter, the 8 x 57 came in two bore sizes the 318 and 323. ( 318--I and J ) ( 323 -- IS, JS, S)
Brent, I thought about two others today while waiting in doctor offices ---Didnt Morgan Freeman use a Spenser in Unforgiven ?---and what did Redford use in Jeremiah Johnson, ? These were both hunting movies--sort of LOL
Losingsanity--btw, a lot of the problem at that time is God forbid that Germany and England was going to call anything the same thing, even if it was
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Dan O
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Europe,
I'm not sure about the movie The Unforgiven. Redford used a 50 cal. Hawken he got from the frozen corpse of "Hatchet Jack" The rifle he bought in St Louis at the beginning of the movie was also a Hawken but I think in a smaller caliber I think around 30 cal. Hatchet Jack had a run in with a Grizzly and suffered two broken leg's but he said the bear was also killed. His note he left said something like " It's a good rifle, it kilt the bear that kilt me" I think that's how he spelled killed but heck he was a trapper not a teacher lol.
Dan
I'm not sure about the movie The Unforgiven. Redford used a 50 cal. Hawken he got from the frozen corpse of "Hatchet Jack" The rifle he bought in St Louis at the beginning of the movie was also a Hawken but I think in a smaller caliber I think around 30 cal. Hatchet Jack had a run in with a Grizzly and suffered two broken leg's but he said the bear was also killed. His note he left said something like " It's a good rifle, it kilt the bear that kilt me" I think that's how he spelled killed but heck he was a trapper not a teacher lol.
Dan
BrentD
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Yes, Freeman had a Spencer, I'm 90% sure. Great movie. I've never had a Spencer but I think it was only viable as a military arm. It wasn't much of a shooter for accuracy and wasn't really a big hunting round so far as I know. The Henry and some others came along on its heels, even before the Civil War was over and replaced it.
Jeremiah Johnson was all about a Hawken muzzleloader. They are considered the crème de la crème of hunting muzzleloaders in that era that time. They were usually large caliber 56-58 caliber but I recall some controversy about that in the movie. I think he said something about it being a smaller caliber when he found it in the tree with the body of the dead trapper (which would have rusted it badly I would think. But the Hawken from St. Louis was the gun of the era.
There are 1874 Sharps rifles in a large number of movies, but while the Sharps was primarily a hunting rifle, the movies are not (Outlaw Josie Wales; Good, Bad and the Ugly; True Grit etc.).
Somewhere along the road a ways back, I became what my shooting partner calls a "Marlin queer". I prefer them over Winchester lever repeaters. But you can watch a heck of a lot of westerns and never see a Marlin, and if you do, it's in the background, held by some 2 bit bandito who is about to be Winchestered by the hero.
If I sound like a movie fanatic, I'm not, but I do watch the rifles and shotguns if the time period is right.
Not too much time in doctor's offices I hope.
Take care.
Jeremiah Johnson was all about a Hawken muzzleloader. They are considered the crème de la crème of hunting muzzleloaders in that era that time. They were usually large caliber 56-58 caliber but I recall some controversy about that in the movie. I think he said something about it being a smaller caliber when he found it in the tree with the body of the dead trapper (which would have rusted it badly I would think. But the Hawken from St. Louis was the gun of the era.
There are 1874 Sharps rifles in a large number of movies, but while the Sharps was primarily a hunting rifle, the movies are not (Outlaw Josie Wales; Good, Bad and the Ugly; True Grit etc.).
Somewhere along the road a ways back, I became what my shooting partner calls a "Marlin queer". I prefer them over Winchester lever repeaters. But you can watch a heck of a lot of westerns and never see a Marlin, and if you do, it's in the background, held by some 2 bit bandito who is about to be Winchestered by the hero.
If I sound like a movie fanatic, I'm not, but I do watch the rifles and shotguns if the time period is right.
Not too much time in doctor's offices I hope.
Take care.
JES is JES Reboring in Oregon. Do a quick Google search. He rebores about anything. Lots of guys send stuff to get it turned into 35 Whelens, 338-06, 358 Win, etc. He usually has about a 2-3 week turnaround time and charges around $250 plus shipping. It's a great way to revive and old -06 or a 308, and I've never seen anyone say their gun wasn't a shooter, or that they were not happy with his work.
Losing_Sanity
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So there is hope for my Browning 223 WSSM. I read somewhere that the barrel can't be swapped, or vary difficult without cracking it. So maybe going up in caliber might be a solution. It's kind of a unique action size and not much you can do with it.
VAspeedgoat
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Jeremiah Johnson bought a smaller calliber hawken and then found hatchet Jack's. I believe the first was said to be .35? Hatchet Jack's was a .50. My son read the book the movie is based on but I can't remember the real story on how he got hatchet Jack's rifle.
Dan, Brent, VAspeedgoat
thanks guys for the comments about Jeremiah Johnson. When I spoke to my daughter she reminded me of how much her father liked the Alamo ( the John Wayne one ) and she was right he did. He always enjoyed the scene with Richard Boone talking about the men at the Alamo, those who have seen it can finish this sentence on their own---"Now Tomorrow-----------" Anyway, I also remember how he wanted to get his hands on the rifle Widmark used--the 7 barrel Nock, but he never did. Wayne used a Hawken I think and the flintlock pistols were pretty cool as well.
Brent, my husband had Marlins, Henrys, Winchesters, Savage, Browning levers and he also liked the Marlin rifles . My son has talked about the company that now makes lever action rifles in Montana but I am forgetting their name and also the Wild West rifles that I think are made In Alaska, but their headquarters are in Las Vegas, but I might have that wrong
I think the company in Montana its Big Horn Armory
p.s. also guys, I thought some of you might get a kick out of this. My granddaughter is bugging her mother to let her join the CMSA. All she needs is a horse, saddle, clothes, revolver, holster, and rifle---they have a horse trailer -------- I love it (-:
thanks guys for the comments about Jeremiah Johnson. When I spoke to my daughter she reminded me of how much her father liked the Alamo ( the John Wayne one ) and she was right he did. He always enjoyed the scene with Richard Boone talking about the men at the Alamo, those who have seen it can finish this sentence on their own---"Now Tomorrow-----------" Anyway, I also remember how he wanted to get his hands on the rifle Widmark used--the 7 barrel Nock, but he never did. Wayne used a Hawken I think and the flintlock pistols were pretty cool as well.
Brent, my husband had Marlins, Henrys, Winchesters, Savage, Browning levers and he also liked the Marlin rifles . My son has talked about the company that now makes lever action rifles in Montana but I am forgetting their name and also the Wild West rifles that I think are made In Alaska, but their headquarters are in Las Vegas, but I might have that wrong
I think the company in Montana its Big Horn Armory
p.s. also guys, I thought some of you might get a kick out of this. My granddaughter is bugging her mother to let her join the CMSA. All she needs is a horse, saddle, clothes, revolver, holster, and rifle---they have a horse trailer -------- I love it (-:
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Grundy53
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I have a .338 MX I really like it. Nice little brush gun.
Grundy53
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I have a couple buddies that hunt elk with .280s. That's all they use. I've seen a lot of elk killed by that round.
Grundy53
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.257 weatherby magnum would be a good option for a quarter bore. I love mine. Plenty speed and not much recoil.
Other guns my family have and use to have. 22 Remington Special, 22 hornet, 22 Jet, 22-3000, 222 Remington, M1 grand 22 range gun, 58 cal musket, 410-2 1/2 inch single shot, 6.5 rem mag, 6mm-284, 250-3000, 264 mag and some I can not remember. My son still uses his model 700 6.5 rem mag. Most are gone but a few are in the safes
NVDesertHunter
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300 H&H Magnum is a cartridge I wish more major rifle manufacturers would produce
Glad to see the 6.5x284 Norma making it into more common rifles
just a matter of time before a 7mm PRC is produced to rival the 28 Nosler
Glad to see the 6.5x284 Norma making it into more common rifles
just a matter of time before a 7mm PRC is produced to rival the 28 Nosler
Stray Horse
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The 6mm Remington has become my favorite over the years. I have an old Remington 700 carbine 1963 in 6mm Remington. I noticed Federal has dropped their premium line for this cartridge. I gave them a call. It was stupid for me to bother.
EOregonian
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Here's a couple I wish I still had: 358 Norma Mag and a 7.61Sharpe and Hart both Schultz and Larsens. Rear lugged rifles-great steel-great shooters-dumb owner. Shouldn't have sold them. Another I still own 250-3000 Savage 99A takedown manufacture date nearly 100 years ago
One thing that has not changed over the years, is hunters/shooters all have favorites that are better (in their opinion) than the favorites of other hunters/shooters. I guess that's what keeps us all looking at new stuff. Let me just say while you are all correct, you would be more correct if you agreed with me that once we got past the 6.5X55, 7X57, 7X68 and 8X57, they all just variations on the theme.
