First hand Covid symptoms

[MTGomer]

Please understand that 900 fatalities would have pulled any other drug off the market. Look at the medications that have been pulled with 4 or 5 fatalities even indirectly attached to them. We are participants in a very large experiment, at least those of us who have had the jab.

I don’t disagree.
It’s why I’ll probably not get it unless I have to. Not that I’m very worried about the vaccine harming me,because I’m not, but I’m also not very worried about Covid either.

If I was older, heavier, had a medical condition etc, the calculation would change.

I think it’s clear when you look at the trajectory of the virus that the vaccines are ending the pandemic, much to the fear porn dealer’s dismay, but I don’t think that equates as Ontario Hunter says to a mandate for every person to not have the ability to decide for themselves what is right for themselves or what risks they’re willing to take.

A perfectly healthy guy from back in my home town died the other day, from a blood clot in his heart, 2 days after getting the vaccine. Correlation does not equal causation, but it definitely is worth considering. A coworker’s mom went into anaphylaxis within minutes. She is fine now. There’s definitely adverse reactions out there that can happen.
All that said, deaths from Covid are plummeting and that is a great great thing.

 

[FishN4Eyes]

What evidence, rationale or studies did your doctor cite to come to the conclusion that vaccination was necessary for someone that has gained natural immunity?
Reinfection rates are extremely low. Severe symptoms in the rare case of reinfection are almost non existent.
It probably doesn’t hurt to get vaccinated but the Fauci/CDC/Pharma narrative that natural immunity transitioned from an indisputable, widely accepted, biological fact to being a conspiracy theory around 13 months ago is bunk.

I’m not picking on you. I think it’s great you got vaccinated if you wanted to and great that we are finally at a point where everyone that wants one can get one, but 4 months ago, watching my wife’s grandmother be isolated in her last days for an extra month unvaccinated, while 23 year old nurses that already had antibodies were pushed to the front of the line, was infuriating.
This was allowed to happen because of the narrative that keeps getting pushed down from the top that natural immunity means nothing. And it’s simply untrue.

My Dr. didn't cite any evidence, rationale or studies.

I simply asked him if I should have any concerns about getting the vaccination and if I should be concerned about the quick roll-out. He said no, and said he got it the first chance he could. That was good enough for me as I trust him implicitly and he's always served me well.

I had mild symptoms the first time and it wasn't bad other than being a pain in the ass quarantining so I'm not super concerned about re-infection. But I am slightly concerned.

I had a friend who is several years younger than me and a fit individual die from a series of strokes that were COVID related. Perfectly healthy guy and in excellent physical shape prior to contracting COVID. That worries me as you never know how anyone is going to respond the virus.

I got vaccinated because I believe it's the right thing for me to do. If you don't think that, hell that's fine, I have no problem with it and I was hesitant myself.

But I bet you won't be returning to Canada to chase sheep anytime soon if you don't get it.

Just razzing you, Riley.

 

[MTGomer]

My Dr. didn't cite any evidence, rationale or studies.

I simply asked him if I should have any concerns about getting the vaccination and if I should be concerned about the quick roll-out. He said no, and said he got it the first chance he could. That was good enough for me as I trust him implicitly and he's always served me well.

I had mild symptoms the first time and it wasn't bad other than being a pain in the ass quarantining so I'm not super concerned about re-infection. But I am slightly concerned.

I had a friend who is several years younger than me and a fit individual die from a series of strokes that were COVID related. Perfectly healthy guy and in excellent physical shape prior to contracting COVID. That worries me as you never know how anyone is going to respond the virus.

I got vaccinated because I believe it's the right thing for me to do. If you don't think that, hell that's fine, I have no problem with it and I was hesitant myself.

But I bet you won't be returning to Canada to chase sheep anytime soon if you don't get it.

Just razzing you, Riley.

I bet I won’t be returning to Canada to hunt sheep anytime soon unless I get a serious raise or get extremely lucky again.

I’ll get a vaccine to hunt sheep. No brainer there.

I’m not a big fan of the whole digital vaccine passport ideas being floated because that has a lot bigger privacy and civil rights implications than just proving you’ve had a Covid shot.
Hard to tell if that’s going to be a real thing or just talk.
Being able to turn on and off someone’s ability to participate in society seems like a bad idea.

 

[Khunter]

I have concerns with the myopic and selfish justification folks choosing to not get vaccinated specifically for variations of "I am healthy and not worried covid will harm me if I get it. If I had health issues I might reconsider." Not just here, but folks I interact with daily.

Who among us does NOT come into contact with people we DO NOT wish to cause serious harm or death by spreading the disease to them. How does one ignore that when choosing to remain part of the problem instead of at least trying to be part of the solution. The overwhelming concern I have for folks around me (family, colleagues, and yes total strangers) was a primary driver for me having received the vaccine. I wish more folks held that sort of concern for others in higher regard rather than treating the pandemic as solely a personal, wont hurt me, issue. It is anything but. Many folks skipping the vaccine are in line to be vectors of damage and death for so many folks.

Latest research coming out seems to increasingly point to vaccinated folks not being spreaders, or at least the ability for them to be a spreader is drastically reduced. Each of us can do something significant to reduce the number of available hosts for the virus to infect and spread AND mutate.

 

[FishN4Eyes]

I bet I won’t be returning to Canada to hunt sheep anytime soon unless I get a serious raise or get extremely lucky again.

I’ll get a vaccine to hunt sheep. No brainer there.

I’m not a big fan of the whole digital vaccine passport ideas being floated because that has a lot bigger privacy and civil rights implications than just proving you’ve had a Covid shot.
Hard to tell if that’s going to be a real thing or just talk.
Being able to turn on and off someone’s ability to participate in society seems like a bad idea.

You're obviously a bright guy and put a lot of thought into things and I don't disagree with your thoughts on the vaccine passport and it being a requirement for travel. I'm not thrilled about it either but I'd like to be ahead of the curve on it if it becomes a requirement as I do have a few hunts north of the border I'm hoping to squeeze in this fall.

It's certainly a long-shot and I'm betting neither of them happen.

That's probably a crappy reason to get the vaccine but that and combined with trying to keep myself healthy and those around me healthy are my primary reasons for getting it.

Who knows, I might regret it at some point in time but I hope the vaccine works well and knocks this damn thing down to a manageable level where we can return to doing things in a normal fashion.

 

[Dougfirtree]

Just for the record, I had my 2nd Pfizer shot 9 days ago (so feeling pretty grateful to be headed towards full immunity). I had no real side effects from shot #1, just a SLIGHT soreness at the site. The day after shot 2, I had a period of about 8 hours when I felt worn out and achy. No fever, no pain. It was pretty mild. NY is opening up eligibility to everyone 16+ yrs old next week. I see some light and really hope that's the end of the tunnel coming!

 

[JLS]

Both of my oldest two daughters just got their second doses. One had a slight headache for 24 hours. The other threw up all night and had a fever and body aches. My wife gets her second dose on Saturday. Our 15 year old is impatiently waiting.

 

[MTGomer]

I have concerns with the myopic and selfish justification folks choosing to not get vaccinated specifically for variations of "I am healthy and not worried covid will harm me if I get it. If I had health issues I might reconsider." Not just here, but folks I interact with daily.

Who among us does NOT come into contact with people we DO NOT wish to cause serious harm or death by spreading the disease to them. How does one ignore that when choosing to remain part of the problem instead of at least trying to be part of the solution. The overwhelming concern I have for folks around me (family, colleagues, and yes total strangers) was a primary driver for me having received the vaccine. I wish more folks held that sort of concern for others in higher regard rather than treating the pandemic as solely a personal, wont hurt me, issue. It is anything but. Many folks skipping the vaccine are in line to be vectors of damage and death for so many folks.

Latest research coming out seems to increasingly point to vaccinated folks not being spreaders, or at least the ability for them to be a spreader is drastically reduced. Each of us can do something significant to reduce the number of available hosts for the virus to infect and spread AND mutate.

I don’t really agree with the idea that anybody owes anybody else anything when it comes to healthcare decisions.

While it’s noble you choose to make your decisions the way you do, it doesn’t make others selfish or myopic for choosing otherwise.
And if it is selfish, I don’t really see anything wrong with being selfish when it comes to a person’s personal healthcare decisions.

I think it was selfish to make so many people suffer for the last year, especially children, to protect people that, to be blunt, are largely vulnerable because of lifestyle choices, but we did it.
The vulnerable, in my opinion, should absolutely and unequivocally go get vaccinated immediately if not sooner. So should everybody else that wants one. BUT If they choose not to, no skin off my back. I don’t think they’re selfish. Poor at risk analysis, sure.

I guess I just place personal autonomy or whatever value you want to call it much higher on the value scale than safety, especially collectivist safety. That’s not a judgement against people that feel otherwise.

Edited: Also worth noting that we aren't talking about the MMR or smallpox vaccine, here. We are talking about something that is using technology not used in this capacity before, not FDA approved and has no long term studies performed on it, due to the short amount of time it has been around. Demanding or expecting someone to take this, for someone else's sake doesn't make a lot of sense. I maintain what I mention below. B is responsible for B's safety, not A.

 

[OntarioHunter]

I don’t really agree with the idea that anybody owes anybody else anything when it comes to healthcare decisions.

While it’s noble you choose to make your decisions the way you do, it doesn’t make others selfish or myopic for choosing otherwise.
And if it is selfish, I don’t really see anything wrong with being selfish when it comes to a person’s personal healthcare decisions.

I think it was selfish to make so many people suffer for the last year, especially children, to protect people that, to be blunt, are largely vulnerable because of lifestyle choices, but we did it.
The vulnerable, in my opinion, should absolutely and unequivocally go get vaccinated immediately if not sooner. So should everybody else that wants one. BUT If they choose not to, no skin off my back. I don’t think they’re selfish. Poor at risk analysis, sure.

I guess I just place personal autonomy or whatever value you want to call it much higher on the value scale than safety, especially collectivist safety. That’s not a judgement against people that feel otherwise.

Guess I feel differently about consideration for others. Must have something to do with Sunday school we all had to go through in the old days. I am a proud graduate. I also volunteered to serve my country (US back then) during Vietnam era for the same reason. Didn't really believe in the war and figured service would be a waste of time. I could easily have stayed in college and avoided it but my country supposedly needed to be protected. So I went. Back then it's what good people did. Placed the public needs above our own.

 

[MTGomer]

Guess I feel differently about consideration for others. Must have something to do with Sunday school we all had to go through in the old days. I am a proud graduate. I also volunteered to serve my country (US back then) during Vietnam era for the same reason. Didn't really believe in the war and figured service would be a waste of time. I could easily have stayed in college and avoided it but my country supposedly needed to be protected. So I went. Back then it's what good people did. Placed the public needs above our own.

So let me get this straight; to be a 'good person', person A should get vaccinated out of concern for person B.
Person B being a person who could, at any time, choose to get vaccinated, if they were concerned for themselves, but have chosen not to. If something happens to B, it is because of A's selfishness, not because of B's choices. Choices, including the lifestyle B has chosen to live which make B vulnerable, and then B's decision not to take a readily available vaccine. Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[MTGomer]

Guess I feel differently about consideration for others. Must have something to do with Sunday school we all had to go through in the old days. I am a proud graduate. I also volunteered to serve my country (US back then) during Vietnam era for the same reason. Didn't really believe in the war and figured service would be a waste of time. I could easily have stayed in college and avoided it but my country supposedly needed to be protected. So I went. Back then it's what good people did. Placed the public needs above our own.

Another question. Since we have cleared up the obligations that you feel A has to B, let's talk about B's obligations to A. A has had his business closed for nearly a year, his savings is depleted, he may lose his home, and his children haven't been to in person school. His wife got laid off and has taken a lesser paying job. A sacrificed all of this, because the Bs had a high chance of dying from Covid and 500k+ of them did.

Going forward, does B owe it to A, to start eating healthy, get off his butt and exercise, put down the cigarette, etc., so in the next pandemic he is more metabolically healthy and the disease's impact on society is lessened significantly, or does all of this only go one way?

 

[LWC55]

Lot's of virtue signaling here. "I think more about my fellow man". "No, I am more considerate". "I make my healthcare choices for the betterment of society". "I'm more religious". If you feel the need to brag about these things on a hunting forum......

 

[David58]

I have concerns with the myopic and selfish justification folks choosing to not get vaccinated specifically for variations of "I am healthy and not worried covid will harm me if I get it. If I had health issues I might reconsider." Not just here, but folks I interact with daily.

Who among us does NOT come into contact with people we DO NOT wish to cause serious harm or death by spreading the disease to them. How does one ignore that when choosing to remain part of the problem instead of at least trying to be part of the solution. The overwhelming concern I have for folks around me (family, colleagues, and yes total strangers) was a primary driver for me having received the vaccine. I wish more folks held that sort of concern for others in higher regard rather than treating the pandemic as solely a personal, wont hurt me, issue. It is anything but. Many folks skipping the vaccine are in line to be vectors of damage and death for so many folks.

Latest research coming out seems to increasingly point to vaccinated folks not being spreaders, or at least the ability for them to be a spreader is drastically reduced. Each of us can do something significant to reduce the number of available hosts for the virus to infect and spread AND mutate.

For an illness that infects less than 10% of the population (according to PCR test results which we know overstate the presence of the disease), makes far less than that sick, and has a small fraction of one percent of the population die from it, the fear porn folks have been very successful.

 

[Dugie]

the odd ball symptom I had was that my skin burned, like a mild sunburn, esp on my back and torso....only lasted a few days but I didn't want to wear a shirt those days.
otherwise it was a minor cold for me.

 

[Sytes]

Not to rain on everyone's parade... There have been prior Covid threads locked. This has survived 450+ posts. Keep it simple, keep it related to the direct experience of covid or vaccination and... small vittles here and there. Point the gun at one the other's going to point the gun back and all turns into swiss cheese until the man that hath BAM BAM powers comes and ties a knot at the end of this thread.

Glad to hear it was minor for ya Dugie. I've not heard of sunburn sensations before. I know my second dose kicked the living snot outta me!

 

[morley.tyler]

1st Shot (Pfizer) two weeks ago. No symptoms/side effects. Less injection site pain than a Tetanus shot. YMMV

I'm young(ish), healthy, and have no underlying health conditions.

To each your own, but for those who choose not to get the vaccine and then get sick... bummer, bro.

 

[JCS]

Has anyone had the j & j vaccine?

 

[MTGomer]

bummer, bro.

My thoughts exactly. On a lot of topics.
Information —> decision —> consequence—> bummer bro

 

[Hunting Wife]

Has anyone had the j & j vaccine?

One of my husband’s coworkers got that one. Sounded like maybe a few sniffles afterwards for a couple days but pretty mild from what I heard.

 

[NoWiser]

I got my first Pfizer shot 6 hours ago. It was the least painful injection I’ve ever had. Arm is a tad stiff now, but barely noticeable. I get my 2nd in 3 weeks, 15 hours before I board a plane with my wife, 4 year old, and 2 year old to Florida. I’m crossing my fingers that I feel ok for the plane ride. I’m happy that I should have fairly decent protection for the trip from this first dose.