Federal Funding for Hunting access?

[BuzzH]

AZ402,

I'll be in AZ for another 3 weeks or so. Been kind of jumping around the state the last month. Got snowed on in Payson today, there was a good 6 inches near the top on the Heber Highway. Had some work near Valentine ridge....theres a couple elk in that area...

Worked south to within a couple miles of Mexico, east to Wilcox. Next week heading up to Kingman. Been staying at Page Springs every weekend, in fact, been to cottonwood just about every weekend.

I like AZ, but wouldnt want to live here...unless I could have a bull tag, a coues deer, and antelope tag every year...then I may consider it.

 

[cjcj]

My brother lives in Payson, nice little town.[eat at the Beeline cafe]....just wondering Buzz what kind of work are you doing in AZ ..care to share? See anything interesting near the Mexican border?

 

[ELKCHSR]

Nemont/Greenhorn, could you post a link to where your finding the bills?
I just would like a link if you don't mind...
Thanks...

 

[The Hedgehog]

2005 Montana Legislature

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HOUSE BILL NO. 235

INTRODUCED BY M. LANGE



A BILL FOR AN ACT ENTITLED: "AN ACT IMPLEMENTING CERTAIN 2004 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE PRIVATE LANDS AND PUBLIC WILDLIFE ADVISORY COUNCIL; ALLOWING THE FISH, WILDLIFE, AND PARKS COMMISSION TO ISSUE CERTAIN BIG GAME LICENSES THROUGH AN ANNUAL LOTTERY AND DEDICATING LOTTERY PROCEEDS TO HUNTING ACCESS PROGRAMS; ALLOWING A HUNTER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM COOPERATOR TO DESIGNATE AN IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER TO RECEIVE THE COOPERATOR'S COMPLIMENTARY LICENSE; ALLOWING ANY LANDOWNER WHO IS ENROLLED IN THE BLOCK MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO RECEIVE BENEFITS PROVIDED UNDER THE HUNTER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND THE HUNTING ACCESS ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM; REQUIRING THE DEPARTMENT OF FISH, WILDLIFE, AND PARKS TO PROVIDE FISCAL ANALYSES OF HUNTING AND FISHING ACCESS ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING SOURCES TO THE REVIEW COMMITTEE; AMENDING SECTIONS 87-1-266, 87-1-267, 87-1-269, AND 87-2-702, MCA; AND PROVIDING EFFECTIVE DATES AND A TERMINATION DATE."



BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA:



NEW SECTION. Section 1. Annual lottery of hunting licenses -- proceeds dedicated to hunting access enhancement. (1) The commission may issue through a lottery one license each year for each of the following:

(a) deer;

(b) elk;

(c) shiras moose;

(d) mountain sheep; and

(e) mountain goat.

(2) The restriction in 87-2-702(4) that a person who receives a moose, mountain goat, or mountain sheep special license is not eligible to receive another license for that species for the next 7 years does not apply to a person who receives a license through a lottery conducted pursuant to this section.

(3) The commission shall establish rules regarding:

(a) the conduct of the lottery authorized in this section;

(b) the use of licenses issued through the lottery; and

(c) the price of lottery tickets.

(4) All proceeds from a lottery conducted pursuant to this section must be used by the department for hunting access programs.



Section 2. Section 87-1-266, MCA, is amended to read:

"87-1-266. (Temporary) Hunter management program -- benefits for providing hunting access -- nonresident landowner limitation -- restriction on landowner liability. (1) As provided in 87-1-265, the department may establish a voluntary hunter management program to provide tangible benefits to private landowners enrolled in the block management program who grant access to their land for public hunting. The decision to enroll a landowner in the hunter management program is the responsibility of the department. Benefits may be granted as provided in this section and by rule.

(2) As a benefit for enrolling property in the hunter management program, a resident landowner who becomes a cooperator in the program and who agrees to provide public hunting access may receive one Class AAA combination sports license, without charge, if the landowner is the owner of record. The license may be used for the full hunting or fishing season in any district where it is valid. The license may not be transferred by gift or sale.

(3) As a benefit for enrolling property in the hunter management program, a nonresident landowner who becomes a cooperator in the program and who agrees to provide public hunting access may receive one Class B-10 nonresident big game combination license, without charge, if the landowner is the owner of record. The license may be used for the full hunting or fishing season in any district where it is valid. The license may not be transferred by gift or sale. The grant of a license under this subsection also qualifies the licensee to apply for a permit through the normal drawing process. The grant of a license under this subsection does not affect the quota of 11,500 limits established under 87-1-268 and 87-2-505.

(4) (a) Instead of receiving the benefits provided in subsection (2) or (3), a landowner of record who becomes a cooperator in the hunter management program and who agrees to provide public hunting access may designate an immediate family member to receive a Class AAA combination sports license, without charge, if the family member is a resident or a Class B-10 nonresident big game combination license, without charge, if the family member is a nonresident.

(b) For purposes of this subsection (4), an immediate family member means a parent, grandparent, child, or grandchild of the cooperator and spouse and includes legally adopted children and the cooperator's and spouse's siblings and siblings' children.

(c) If a cooperator elects to designate an immediate family member to receive a license pursuant to this subsection (4), the cost of the license must be deducted from hunter management program compensation paid to the cooperator.

(d) An immediate family member who is designated to receive a license pursuant to this subsection (4) must be eligible for licensure under current Montana law and may not transfer the license by gift or sale.

(e) The grant of a Class B-10 nonresident big game combination license to an immediate family member pursuant to this subsection (4) does not affect the limits established in 87-1-268 and 87-2-505.

(4) (a)(5) A resident Any landowner who is enrolled in the block management program may receive the benefits provided under the hunter management program, as outlined in this section, and the benefits provided under the hunting access enhancement program, as outlined in 87-1-267.

(b) A nonresident landowner who chooses to receive a license under subsection (3) may also receive assistance under the block management program, but is not eligible to receive cash payments under 87-1-267.

(5)(6) The restriction on liability of a landowner, agent, or tenant that is provided under 70-16-302(1) applies to a landowner who participates in the hunter management program. (Terminates March 1, 2006--sec. 6, Ch. 544, L. 1999.)"



Section 3. Section 87-1-267, MCA, is amended to read:

"87-1-267. (Temporary) Hunting access enhancement program -- benefits for providing hunting access -- cooperative agreement -- factors for determining benefits earned -- restriction on landowner liability. (1) As provided in 87-1-265, the department may establish and administer a voluntary program to enhance the block management program, to be known as the hunting access enhancement program. The program must be designed to provide tangible benefits to participating private landowners who grant access to their land for public hunting.

(2) Land is not eligible for inclusion in the hunting access enhancement program if outfitting or commercial hunting restricts public hunting opportunities.

(3) A contract for participation in the hunting access enhancement program is established through a cooperative agreement between the landowner and the department that will guarantee reasonable access for public hunting. Landowners may also form a voluntary association when development of a unified cooperative agreement is advantageous. A cooperative agreement must contain a detailed description of the plan developed by the landowner and the department and may include but is not limited to:

(a) hunting access management;

(b) services to be provided to the public;

(c) ranch rules and other restrictions; and

(d) any other management information to be gathered, which must be made available to the public.

(4) If the department determines that the plan referred to in subsection (3) may adversely influence game management decisions or wildlife habitat on public lands outside the block management area, then other public land agencies, interested sportspersons, and affected landowners must be consulted. An affected landowner's management goals and personal observations regarding game populations and habitat use must be considered in developing the plan.

(5) The commission shall develop rules for determining tangible benefits to be provided to a landowner for providing public hunting access. Benefits will be provided to offset potential impacts associated with public hunting access, including but not limited to those associated with general ranch maintenance, conservation efforts, weed control, fire protection, liability insurance, roads, fences, and parking area maintenance. Factors used in determining benefits may include but are not limited to:

(a) the number of days of public hunting provided by a participating landowner;

(b) wildlife habitat provided;

(c) resident game populations;

(d) number, sex, and species of animals taken; and

(e) access provided to adjacent public lands.

(6) Benefits earned by a landowner under this section may be applied in, but application is not limited to, the following manner:

(a) A landowner may direct weed control payments to be made directly to the county weed control board or may elect to receive payments directly.

(b) A landowner may direct fire protection payments to be made to the local fire district or the county where the landowner resides or may elect to receive payments directly.

(c) A landowner may receive direct payment to offset insurance costs incurred for allowing public hunting access.

(d) The department may provide assistance in the construction and maintenance of roads, gates, and parking facilities and in the signing of property.

(7) The commission may provide a total of not more than $12,000 a year to a landowner who participates in the hunter management program or hunting access enhancement program, or both, subject to the conditions set out in 87-1-266(4).

(8) The restriction on liability of a landowner, agent, or tenant that is provided under 70-16-302(1) applies to a landowner who participates in the hunting access enhancement program. (Terminates March 1, 2006--sec. 6, Ch. 544, L. 1999; sec. 9, Ch. 216, L. 2001.)"



Section 4. Section 87-1-269, MCA, is amended to read:

"87-1-269. (Temporary) Report required -- review committee. (1) The governor shall appoint a committee of persons interested in issues related to hunters, anglers, landowners, and outfitters, including but not limited to the hunting access enhancement program, the fishing access enhancement program, landowner-hunter relations, outfitting industry issues, and other issues related to private lands and public wildlife. The committee must have broad representation of landowners, outfitters, and sportspersons. The department may provide administrative assistance as necessary to assist the review committee.

(2) (a) The review committee shall report to the governor and to the 58th each legislature regarding the success of various elements of the hunting access enhancement program, including a report of annual landowner participation, the number of acres annually enrolled in the program, hunter harvest success on enrolled lands, the number of qualified applicants who were denied enrollment because of a shortfall in funding, and an accounting of program expenditures, and make suggestions recommendations for funding, modification, or improvement needed to achieve the objectives of the program. The department shall provide fiscal analyses of all hunting access enhancement program funding sources to the review committee for review and recommendations.

(b) The review committee shall report to the governor and to the 58th each legislature regarding the success of the fishing access enhancement program and make suggestions recommendations for funding, modification, or improvement needed to achieve the objectives of the program. The department shall provide fiscal analyses of all fishing access enhancement program funding sources to the review committee for review and recommendations.

(3) The director may appoint additional advisory committees that are considered necessary to assist in the implementation of the hunting access enhancement program and the fishing access enhancement program and to advise the commission regarding the development of rules implementing the hunting access enhancement program and the fishing access enhancement program. (Terminates March 1, 2006--sec. 6, Ch. 544, L. 1999; sec. 6, Ch. 196, L. 2001.)"



Section 5. Section 87-2-702, MCA, is amended to read:

"87-2-702. Restrictions on special licenses. (1) A person who has killed or taken any game animal, except a deer, an elk, or an antelope, during the current license year is not permitted to receive a special license under this chapter to hunt or kill a second game animal of the same species.

(2) The commission may require applicants for special permits authorized by this chapter to obtain a valid big game license for that species for the current year prior to applying for a special permit.

(3) A person may take only one grizzly bear in Montana with a license authorized by 87-2-701.

(4) (a) A Except as provided in [section 1(2)], a person who receives a moose, mountain goat, or limited mountain sheep license, with the exception of an adult ewe license, as authorized by 87-2-701, is not eligible to receive another special license for that species for the next 7 years. For the purposes of this subsection (4)(a), "limited mountain sheep license" means a license that is valid for an area in which the number of licenses issued is restricted.

(b) A Except as provided in [section 1(2)], a person who takes a mountain sheep using an unlimited mountain sheep license, with the exception of a mountain sheep taken pursuant to an adult ewe license, as authorized by 87-2-701, is not eligible to receive another special license for that species for the next 7 years. For the purposes of this subsection (4)(b), "unlimited mountain sheep license" means a license that is valid for an area in which the number of licenses issued is not restricted."



NEW SECTION. Section 6. Codification instruction. [Section 1] is intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 87, chapter 1, part 2, and the provisions of Title 87, chapter 1, part 2, apply to [section 1].



COORDINATION SECTION. Section 7. Coordination instruction. (1) If __Bill No.__ [LC 0233] is not passed and approved, then [sections 2 through 4 of this act] are void.

(2) If __Bill No.__[LC0233] is passed and approved, then [section 9 of this act] is void.



NEW SECTION. Section 8. Effective dates. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), [this act] is effective on passage and approval.

(2) [Section 2] is effective October 1, 2005.



NEW SECTION. Section 9. Termination. [Sections 2 through 4] terminate March 1, 2006.

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[ELKCHSR]

Thanks Kurt...

I see a few very good things in this one but I am no expert on the subject that seem to have positive and negatives to it.

I don't think I like this part if it is what it looks like, this individual can let some one else have their tag, then we compensate that individual with $$$ and they get the tags any way to give someone else.
I would say it should be one or the other, the tags or the $$$ compensation.

(c) If a cooperator elects to designate an immediate family member to receive a license pursuant to this subsection (4), the cost of the license must be deducted from hunter management program compensation paid to the cooperator.

This part looks pretty good, if you sell the wildlife in what ever avenue, you can't get your place on the dole...

(2) Land is not eligible for inclusion in the hunting access enhancement program if outfitting or commercial hunting restricts public hunting opportunities.

 

[The Hedgehog]

That's nothing new, existing enrollees in BMAs already get complimentary sportsman's licenses. The new stuff is the raffles for 1 of each species.

 

[ELKCHSR]

OK...
I have never really been around any of this stuff, so am learning, thanks for the info...
I can see where the game department would really like this, it would really bring up the $$$ in their coffers.
It really does create big problems down the road though if the F&G decided to put out more raffle tickets to create more revenue...

 

[The Hedgehog]

Do you prefer raising the prices of hunting licenses? Or both? Or forget about putting $$ toward Block Management.

 

[Nemont]

Greenhorn,
I Know they currently give tags to the landowner the thing that bothers me is being able to transfer tags. In my mind landowner tags that can be transferred will lead to landowner tags that can be sold. That makes it a much different ball game. Why let the genie out of the bottle?

Nemont

 

[Ithaca 37]

Landowner tags that can be transferred will go to the landowner's banker, lawyer, dentist and anyone else the landowner wants to barter with or get a favor from. Practically the same benefit as selling them for cash.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Well I'm blind. Where does it say the sportmans license can be transferred? I only see that it's designated to the landowner or an immediate family member. It's been that way for a long time.

 

[Nemont]

4) (a) Instead of receiving the benefits provided in subsection (2) or (3), a landowner of record who becomes a cooperator in the hunter management program and who agrees to provide public hunting access may designate an immediate family member to receive a Class AAA combination sports license, without charge, if the family member is a resident or a Class B-10 nonresident big game combination license, without charge, if the family member is a nonresident.

(b) For purposes of this subsection (4), an immediate family member means a parent, grandparent, child, or grandchild of the cooperator and spouse and includes legally adopted children and the cooperator's and spouse's siblings and siblings' children

Greenhorn,

I hate to tell you are wrong but:
Currently only the landowner gets a free license and it is not transferable to any family member. The addition of transferability is what bothers me. How long will it be before they say they should be able to transfer to anybody? Why even start it?

Nemont

 

[Washington Hunter]

Well the way I see it is landowners aren't necessarily going to even use a tag when they want to kill something on their land. And if the landowner wants his grandson, or any other relative (or friend or business associate) to kill a deer, he'll probably just take him hunting, tag or no tag. I would bet this happens this way more often than not. I agree that it's definitely a bad idea for landowners to get into the business of selling tags.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Nemont, makes sense. I thought they could be to any family member. Bummer... was thinking my kid's sportsman's license was going to be a freebee..

 

[Nut]

I just had a quick read of the bills. I think the 225 bill looks good.

Nut, how do you think this is a way of ripping off non-residents when non-residents benefit from this Block Mgt program just the same as residents do? You don't have to buy a lottery ticket in the event this bill passes, but you'd be able to reap the benefits, so how does it rip you off? I'm cornfused.

Well Greenhorn it would rip me off if I nver hunt out west where the majority of the money would go. But that would be my fault wouldn't it?

 

[ELKCHSR]

Then come on out Fred... the doors are open...

 

[SageGhost]

reply..

i tell you what, i sent some farmers a letter with a family photo of my wife and I and our 2 boys and explained to them that i am a responsible hunter and how i feel about certain predators and EVERY farmer that i sent a letter to now allows me to hunt and fish their lands just by stopping by and getting permission.
infact i am getting to hunt a TROPHY mule deer area that hasnt been hunted in 10 years just by doing that and agreeing to do some labor for her around her farm.

 

[Ten Bears]

Ten Beers, you say "It is my OPINION, that this program will make more landowners lock up their land until they get compensated, rather then open more land to hunting that was previously closed." Explain the logic from that landowner's point of view.. you got me cornfused too...

Let's see, say a person owns a large tract of land, and has traditionally allowed some hunting on it. His neighbor/friend/acquaintance, owns another land tract of land and suddenly starts getting paid to allow hunters to hunt. Do you think that the first guy is going to not expect payment as well? I know that if I owned land and knew of others that were getting paid to allow access, I'd want some compensation also.

 

[The Hedgehog]

Nemont, I think there's a big difference to "designation" and "transferring." There is no transferring and I don't see an issue with it as written. From what I've heard there is some language regarding the budgeting of 2 enforcement positions that is holding this one up. I think it's a good bill, but I'm sure there's more than one way to skin a cat.

Ten Bears, thank you for reminding us of your wowing brain-power.

 

[Nemont]

Greenhorn,

I guess it depends upon how you read the bill. I support the Black Management Program 100% and don't really have an issue with funding it with increased RESIDENT fees. I just worry about the future of what will happen if landowner tags are ever allowed.

Nemont