Farenheit 9/11 Sets More Box Office Records

[Hangar18]

It is amazing how many people have opinions on Moore, without seeing his movies. And even funnier, most of those opinions likely came through the MEDIA!!!

Actually it is not that amazing. His shining moment came when he accepted the oscar for Bowling for Columbine, went on a diatribe against the war, and was booed by the liberal Hollywood crowd. I personally think all the attention he is getting is good. It is saving otherwise unknowing people countless millions of dollars that would be wasted on his propoganda. Plus we all get to watch him grow larger by the day.

 

[cjcj]

Gunner i think most of the guys on this board [including me] just don`t want to help Mike the moron in any way! Many of us have seen Columbine and were offended by its anti-gun stance. Like the part where he opens the bank account and is offered a rifle or a shotgun, he makes a big deal out of it! not one of those guns that were offered by the bank were used in a crime or any unsafe matter, i didn`t see any humor in it., and i do have a pretty good sense of humor. but i will see the movie when it comes to the video store and i can rent it at hollywood for 99 cents. until then i don`t think its "unfair" for anyone to attack Moore! It might be unfair to "critic" the movie until we have viewed it, but Moore himself is fair game. but even without seeing the movie i think anyone with a little intellect will know what to expect from Mike the moron Moore. I just flat out don`t like the dickhead from what i`ve seen of him. To his credit he has found a "niche" and has become a multi- millionare all on his own.So he isn`t just a lazy fat slob [he just looks like one]. But his politics don`t fit with most gun owners and sportsman, most liberals don`t!

 

[JoseCuervo]

Hangar,
He has been around a lot longer than since Last March. I think Roger and Me was late '80s...

And his TV show was pretty dang funny. He is nothing more than somebody who is trying to write "Editorials" without the newspaper. Instead he uses film, and I think a Documentary that has now SHATTERED the previous record for Documentaries (also his) shows that millions are watching his movie....

 

[JoseCuervo]

CJ,
Do you buy everthing the NRA is "selling"???? Columbine just makes you think.... I didn't sell a single gun of mine after viewing Columbine... Thinking is not a bad thing...

And the scene in the bank in Michigan was HILARIOUS....

 

[cjcj]

The one thing i Buy that the NRA is selling is Why should law abiding citizens be penalized because criminals misuse guns? and what did you find so funny about the guns for opening a bank account scene? Banks have been offering toasters/microwaves, and other prizes including guns for years, Mike the moron acted like he couldn`t believe a bank would do such a thing, where in the hell has he been living [in a cave]. But people like him think like that, because they are so ignorant about guns. Hell more "kids" have been killed drowning in swimming pools in AZ this year, than were killed by gun accidents in the last ten years! and summer is just getting started! Where are the Mike Morons of the world, BAN SWIMMING POOLS NOW!!!! They are killing our children! where is the million mommy march against swimming pools?

 

[Hangar18]

Originally posted by ElkGunner:
Hangar,
He has been around a lot longer than since Last March. I think Roger and Me was late '80s...

And his TV show was pretty dang funny. He is nothing more than somebody who is trying to write "Editorials" without the newspaper. Instead he uses film, and I think a Documentary that has now SHATTERED the previous record for Documentaries (also his) shows that millions are watching his movie....

I saw Roger & Me, and thought it was pretty funny.

Thanks to Leonardo DiCaprio and Celine Dion's music I believe Titantic is the largest grossing movie of all time.

Therefore many more millions are NOT watching the flick.

Translation - BFD

 

[Nemont]

Fahrenheit 9/11: The temperature at which Michael Moore's pants burn (7/2)
By Brendan Nyhan

Michael Moore's career as a rabble-rousing populist has been marked by a frequent pattern of dissembling and factual inaccuracy. He distorted the chronology of his first movie, "Roger & Me"; repeatedly peddled the myth that the Bush administration gave $43 million to the Taliban; published two books, Stupid White Men and Dude, Where's My Country?, that were riddled with factual errors and distortions; and won an Academy Award for "Bowling for Columbine," a documentary based on a confused and often contradictory argument that features altered footage of a Bush-Quayle campaign ad, a misleading presentation of a speech by National Rifle Association president Charlton Heston, and other factual distortions.

With his new documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11," which won the prestigious Palme D'Or at the Cannes Film Festival and was #1 at the US box office last week, Moore has surged to new prominence -- and come under increasing scrutiny. His staff has made much of elaborate fact-checking that was reportedly conducted on the film. And fortunately, it appears to be free of the silly and obvious errors that have plagued Moore's past work, such as the claim in Stupid White Men that the Pentagon planned to spend $250 billion on the Joint Strike Fighter in 2001, a sum that represented over 80 percent of the total defense budget request for the year.

However, "Fahrenheit 9/11" is filled with a series of deceptive half-truths and carefully phrased insinuations that Moore does not adequately back up. As Washington Monthly blogger Kevin Drum and others have noted, the irony is that these are the same tactics frequently used by the target of the film, George W. Bush. Moore and his chief antagonist have more in common than viewers might think. (Read the whole column.)

Nemont

 

[JoseCuervo]

And to those who don't think anybody was educated by Farenheit 9*11, here is proof that the Dubya adminsitration has learned from the movie...

What a Film Has Taught the Bush Team


'In wake of the president idling in "Fahrenheit 9/11," the White House image-makers have guarded against a recurrence.'When word of the second terror-jet smashing into the World Trade Center was whispered into the ear of the U.S. President of the targeted superpower, the Commander-in-Chief maintained his seat and schedule for seven blissfully uninterrupted minutes - seven minutes!

The matter commanding the president's slavish attention? Listening to third graders while awaiting his turn to read at an elementary school in Sarasota, Fla.

After chief of staff Andrew Card whispered the tragic news, President George W. Bush was as compliant as the unknowing third graders around him. He fidgeted in his seat. He grimaced. He beaded and unbeaded his eyes. He wiggled his razor lips. At one point he seemed on the verge of raising his hand and pleading for a toilet break.

Still-camera snatches of this fateful seven minutes have made the rounds. But Michael Moore brings this theater of the absorbed to the big screen in full-color video, complete with biting analysis, in "Fahrenheit 9/11." Moore concludes that Bush idled his engine during this critical period because there was no one - no Dick Cheney, no Colin Powell, no Papa Bush - to coach him off the runway.

Moore's observations aside, the footage is a devastating ad for a superpower stuck now with what appears to all the world as a cipher in the White House. This, incidentally, is no put-down of the American people. The people cannot be blamed for this particular Bush floating to the top because they did not in their popular masses exactly vote him into office.

Nonetheless, here was the Great Helmsman of the Republic at a moment most dramatic. The worst foreign attack on U.S. soil since independence caught the president twiddling his thumbs for seven full minutes as the Twin Towers burned.

Imagine Franklin Delano Roosevelt at the dawn of World War II. Word of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor did not spin him into a seven-minute séance. No cameras were present, but it is a sure bet FDR would not have awaited his turn to read to third graders.

No self-respecting police officer or fireman would continue with the mundane of his schedule when such a catastrophe intrudes unannounced from the sky. But they are trained for the moment, you say. What, then, about accountants, bankers, donut-bakers, and second-story men, to say nothing of those wired for high jinks such as nurses, plumbers, newspaper editors and dentists. It is hard to contemplate the seven-minute Bush lapse for any responsible leader not under the influence, say, of a prescribed substance.

A crisis moment is the spot quiz that defines true leadership.

Failing the moment, as Bush did in Florida that day, suggests a clear lack of the necessities, at least for great leadership. There is no reason, of course, to expect otherwise. His life, as Moore points out in the film, has been a study in nose-diving his entrusted vessel, whether oil drilling firm or baseball team, straight into the drink. Such stewardship was not shaped at academy or tested on the battlefield, but picked up running political campaigns while imbibing to excess perhaps every alcoholic beverage known to mankind.

This is not to give drunks a bad name, for many a great leader has battled with the bottle or other narcotics, reformed, and carried on. Bush claims to have reformed from alcoholism with self-cure doses of right-wing evangelicalism. Though Bush is exaggerated in Moore's political video-pamphlet, the Chief Executive of Crawford, Texas, has emerged as a strutting peacock with an unbridled sense of entitlement whose finger is within easy reach of the nuclear trigger. The world must hold its breath against a relapse.

In wake of the president idling in "Fahrenheit 9/11," the White House image-makers have guarded against a recurrence running up to the elections. At the NATO summit in Istanbul last week, Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair acted out a nicely scripted piece of drama noting the U.S. "handover" of power to Iraqi Interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi.

"Mr. President, Iraq is sovereign," read a Condoleezza Rice note handed to Bush, seated next to Blair at the summit. "Letter was passed from Bremer at 10:26 a.m. Iraq time." The National Security Adviser had signed the handwritten note, "Condi."

Bush scribbled on the note, "Let Freedom Reign!" The scripted Bush then turned to Blair, and this time he did the whispering. The two leaders shook hands. Though White House spokesmen have denied seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11," there was every indication at the summit that the handlers had clearly learned from it.

No idling here. The note was immediately passed along to the media. If, however, the president intended to shadow the "let freedom ring" line of "My Country 'Tis of Thee," he ironically flubbed it by writing "reign."

Perhaps he should have spent a few more minutes with those Florida third graders.

 

[IdahoCritterGetter]

funny prob not so but intresting for sure; good topic!

 

[JoseCuervo]

It would be interesting if some of the Moore Haters would actually see the movie...

Editorial: Moore's contribution to the debate
Thursday, July 8, 2004

It may well be true that anyone willing to pay $9.50 to see Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" has already decided to vote for John Kerry for president this November. Partisans of George W. Bush don't tend to like Moore to begin with, and most of the undecided will likely opt for less political cinema fare.

But if Democratic loyalties are what got them in the door, it was the movie that prompted the outburst of sustained applause we witnessed at a Monday showing in Framingham. Others have noted the same reactions at other area theaters: applause, tears and heated discussions, sometimes going on long enough that cinema employees had to clear the auditorium.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" makes no claim to objectivity, fairness or balance. Moore is an advocate, even a propagandist, not a journalist. He picks and chooses facts and images to make his case. There are cheap shots in the film, to be sure. But for all the howls from the defenders of the Bush Administration, it's hard to find an outright falsehood.

The movie's greatest weakness is in its implications of conspiracy. By connecting Bush and members of his family and administration so closely to the oil industry, defense contractors and Saudi royals, Moore gives simple greed too large a role in Bush's foreign policy blunders. We would ascribe a greater role to ineptness and ideological myopia. But Moore isn't wrong to point out the connections. Never has an administration been so dominated by the petroleum industry, and never has a family of presidents been so financially entangled with foreign rulers.

Moore's electoral agenda is clear, but he is far from the first media figure to put his art to work persuading voters. Rush Limbaugh reaches nearly as many voters every day with his radio show as saw "Fahrenheit 9/11" in its record-breaking first weekend. The talk-radio crowd and cable TV screamers are at least as enthusiastic in pumping Bush up as Moore is in deflating him.

But Moore's film lacks the ironic detachment at the heart of talk radio and its cable cousins. Its power comes not from Moore's showboating, but from the words and images of people touched by war: the Iraqi mother whose house has been bombed, the soldiers disillusioned by the damage they've done for a cause they don't understand, the Michigan woman who tearfully reads aloud the last letter her son wrote before his Blackhawk helicopter was shot down.

To the extent that Moore's film is preaching to the already converted, its impact on audiences is similar to the year's other most controversial film, Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ." Both films do more than entertain; they inspire viewers to action, whether in service to God or as a duty to their country.

If there's a pro-Bush filmmaker out there ready to tell the other side of the story, Moore would likely say bring it on. Serious times require strong debate, and Michael Moore is certainly holding up his end.

 

[IdahoCritterGetter]

I plan on seeing it when it comes to cable but will not spend money to go see it and make him any richer and find myself supporting him in anyway but thats me. I'm not gonna complain about him then go spend god money on his

documentries. I myself find his tactics childish and unpatriotic.Agian thats just me everyones entitled their opinion and no offense intended but there's mine.

 

[IdahoCritterGetter]

Good money