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Interior defends drilling policies

Bush administration rebuffs biologists' plea to slow oil, gas leases

By Gary Gerhardt, Rocky Mountain News
February 26, 2005
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3577684,00.html

The Bush administration's energy development policies are helping to ensure conservation of wildlife, habitat and recreation on public lands, assistant interior secretary Rebecca Watson said in a letter Thursday.
Watson's comments were in response to a letter sent last week by Trout Unlimited and signed by 55 wildlife biologists and former public land managers asking federal officials to slow down and consider the potential effects on fish and wildlife before granting oil and gas leases in the West. "The energy program reflects the administration's belief that environmentally sound energy development is important to our national security and economic well-being," Watson wrote.

"It also directly supports the Bureau of Land Management's mandate to manage resources to best meet the present and future needs of the American people."

Watson said the administration has a strong commitment to multiple use management which is reflected in the BLM's land-use plans that are developed in an "open public process and are the blue print for how all activities and resources are managed on lands managed" by the BLM.

She said President Bush made his mandate clear in the National Energy Policy when he said, "We must work to build a new harmony between energy needs and our environmental concerns.

"The truth is energy production and environmental protections are not competing priorities. They are dual aspects of a single purpose, to live well and wisely upon the earth."

David Stalling, western field coordinator for Trout Unlimited's public lands initiative and spearhead of Hunters and Anglers for Responsible Energy Development, said Friday, "Our letter calls for responsible, balanced policies.

"We have fish and wildlife biologists from all over the West who signed that letter representing hundreds of fish and wildlife biologists throughout the West who have seen impacts of oil and gas drilling on the ground and are concerned about them."

He said there is a tremendous lack of research and baseline data about how energy drilling is affecting fish and wildlife, and he doesn't think Watson's letter addresses it.

"It is one thing in a letter to say that the administration has a strong commitment and strict adherence to environmental regulations. But as we speak, there is another attempt to push through legislation in Congress that would exempt, eliminate and undermine protections for fish and wildlife," he said.

"For example, current energy legislation would exempt the energy industry from key portions of the Clean Water Act and Safe Water Act and other important protections for fish and wildlife."

Stalling said the policies that come out of the National Energy Plan being pushed through Congress further accelerate and expedite energy development on public lands. Instead of slowing down and looking at concerns, he said, the policies undermine and eliminate protections for fish and wildlife, making it even easier to keep drilling throughout our western lands.

"I'm glad they are starting to listen to our concerns, but now I want to see actions on the ground," Stalling said. "Our concerns are still the same. We feel they still are outstripping the ability to research before drilling begins."
 
Oak,

Great article and it is amazing that "We have fish and wildlife biologists from all over the West who signed that letter representing hundreds of fish and wildlife biologists throughout the West who have seen impacts of oil and gas drilling on the ground and are concerned about them."

And they are still ignored....

Sage,
I always wondered what kind of people got their education from bumper stickers... Thanks for letting me know.
 
and I bet the both of you still use all of the products you are banging your drums against.. ;)
 
Hey SG, politicians love sheep like you that will follow blindly along.

Yeah Cheese, I'm still using the products. That's why I believe I should have a say in where they come from. You don't get it, do you?

Oak
 
Come on Paul, I think Oak "gets it", but maybe I don't. Could you explain, at least to me, what you feel Oak is missing. It will help me out anyway. :confused:
 
Paul, explain it for me too. Why is it ok to exempt the energy industry from portions of the Clean Water Act? Why should we reduce protections to fish and wildlife in order to extract the drop in the bucket that isn't going to do one thing to make us more self-sufficient? Why should I not have a say in how I get my gas and oil?

What do you think is the purpose of reducing these restrictions and ignoring management agency biologists? I think it's so the energy industry can make as much money as possible in the next four years. So explain to me what I'm not getting.

Oak
 
Yeah Cheese, I'm still using the products. That's why I believe I should have a say in where they come from. You don't get it, do you?
So you think this type of posting will get you any where?
I guess I was right after all when you jumped in on the bandwagon when I was posting the pictures...
Fun being a parrot isn't it ;) :)
 
I am just too stupid to follow along any more. :confused: A parrot on a wagon taking pictures. |oo :confused:
 
Great argument, Cheese. You make your points well.

Why don't you take a crack at the questions I asked? Or are they too tough to answer?

Oak
 
Oak,

Where do you want to get the oil that YOU consume from? I have yet to hear one favorable location on U. S. soil that YOUR GANG supports. Middle East? Aren't you guys opposed to whats going on in the Middle East? I don't know about you, but Vladie's dealings with Iran is making me as nervous as a whore in church. Russia? You want to be at the mercy of those guys? South America? Problems there. Africa? Again, problems there. How about China's rapidly expanding appetite for oil and other natural resources? Where's that going to come from? Your slice of the pie?

I don't see any of you guy's changing your lifestyle. All you do is whine about the oil industry getting rich. I can just hear the whinning now when you forced to ration your gas. It will sound like a bunch of spoiled three year olds having their lollypop taken away. Wake up dude, the shits getting ready to hit the fan.
 
I don't think you've been listening to "my gang." I think everyone here agrees that we should be extracting on our own soil, but the way we're going about it is ridiculous. I think we need to be using the best available technology for extraction, and the best science available for protecting our fish and wildlife resources. The Bush Admin. is acting like the oil and gas is going to disappear from under our feet if we don't tap it in the next four years. I'm saying that we need to make sure we're not doing more damage than necessary. Extracting on our own soil is never going to make us independent from "those guys" as long as we're not doing anything to reduce our demand.

Oak
 
BHR- Private Land where the oil industry has to pay a non-subsidized price for drilling or maybe have to share in the profit with the landowner. Right now they just want it to be like cattle grazing, timber, and other extrative industries. Why use mine when I can get yours for free.
 
BHR, "I don't see any of you guy's changing your lifestyle." Simpleton. Please explain what attempts you've made to see if any of us have changed our lifestyles in the last twenty years to try to be more energy efficient. If I can show a change I made will you quit posting your idiotic comments in SI? Better yet, how about if we make a bet on whether or not I've changed my lifestyle. I'll make it affordable for you, too. How about $5000?

Time to put up or shut up. Which are you going to do?
 
Oak,

"I think everyone here agrees that we should be extracting on our own soil" LOL!

Matt,

WTF are you talking about. Have you ever seen the price tag for public land gas and oil leases? I see where oil companies recently bid $53.9 million for oil and gas leases in Alaska. Doesn't sound like they are getting it for free to me. Plus they are creating jobs and providing a resource that YOU consume at a very thin margin.

IT,

I've asked you time and time again to list resources that you personally consume and you have never answered once. Tells us what your doing to conserve if you want, I could care less. No doubt you have changed your lifestyle over the years. At one time you were probably a produtive member of society. Today you are just a grumpy man with an axe to grind that wastes his day away on his computer. I'm heading out in a couple days to go to San Antonio to the FNAWS convention. Have fun saving the world on the computer while I'm gone.
 
Natural gas drilling threatens deer, elk
State struggling to reach pacts that may limit stress on herds

By Gary Gerhardt, Rocky Mountain News
February 14, 2005

North America's largest herds of migrating deer and elk are running into increasing difficulty in northwestern Colorado's Piceance Basin, where natural gas drilling is intensifying.

Ron Velarde, state Division of Wildlife regional manager in Grand Junction, told state wildlife commissioners Thursday that the division is struggling to reach agreements on the construction of gas pipelines, roads and power lines, and on traffic traversing a number of state wildlife areas that are vital to about 133,000 mule deer and 81,000 elk.

The animals annually migrate about 125 miles from Rabbit Ears Pass and the Flat Tops Wilderness area on the east to west of Meeker and up to Dinosaur National Monument to escape the snows, he said.

Area wildlife manager Dan Prenzlow told the commissioners that up to 5,000 deer and an equal number of elk winter in the Bitter Brush State Wildlife Area six miles south of Maybell.

In addition, the area is dotted with greater sage grouse mating sites, which also will be affected.

The 5,700-acre wildlife area is being crossed by pipelines, and they can't be diverted around the property, Prenzlow said, because oil companies complain that it costs $7 million a mile to lay a pipeline and that diverting it to avoid an area could cost multiple millions of dollars.

Although the state owns the surface rights, oil companies own the mineral rights and have the right to extract them.

Prenzlow said the area is vital for breeding and feeding during September and November in a year with a severe winter.

The wildlife division doesn't know yet what effect the drilling will have, but if it's done at the wrong time, it could put a lot of stress on the animals and possibly force them to move to less desirable grazing areas, Prenzlow said.

Velarde said it isn't only laying pipelines and digging wells that create stress. Once the wells are in place, trucks will pass through the area regularly doing maintenance on them, he said.

"This is a prime big-game hunting area in October and November," Velarde said.

Tim Monahan, of the Colorado Attorney General's Office, who represents the state Division of Wildlife, said the best the division can do is try to negotiate with oil companies if they are "friendly."

But with a rush on for energy extraction in Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming, wildlife is little more than a second thought to many of the energy companies, wildlife officials say.

"There are political, biological and financial aspects to this. We can deal with the biological, but can't do anything about the political," Velarde said.

Russell George, executive director of the state Natural Resources Department, told Velarde, "In terms of how far to go, we need to be very aggressive in protecting habitat for wildlife.

"Don't worry about the political aspect. We'll handle that. Just go with what is legal, be fair but strong, and we'll back you up."
 
So Oak,

Do you think that if Kerry won the election, things would be different? Is it possible that this administration (or the the Kerry administration if he won) has access to information that you, me, or even your idol Buzz, does not know about? Information that forms their agenda? Would it be wise to have an established energy supply ready to access here in the U. S. as a buffer in case other oil producing countries that didn't have our best interests decided to hold us over a barrel?

All I've seen from you so far is all the places that you would not like to see energy extraction take place. List a few place that you do think extraction is ok.
 
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