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Dept of Interior handed over to DOGE

Every dept. needs to be audited and gutted. The bloated government has put us into $35 Trillion of debt, and both sides of the aisle are to blame. The implications of not addressing that debt are far worse than slashing every dept. by 90%. Total default and the inability to repay our national debt will implode the whole country and we start from scratch. The whining about a few good things being swept up in the cleaning is ignoring the very real issue of insolvency and global destabilization. The corrupt politicians put us into this position and generations of American's voted for it. Theres only 1 President ever who is trying to dig us out of this mess with all the cards stacked against him, even from his own party. It would be nice to see all of the people who stole that $35T put in jail.
How did you arrive at the conclusion that "he's trying to fix it"

Look - i voted for the guy. And despite whats going on, i still wouldnt change it, but the illusion that he cares deeply about fixing the budget is baffling.

You simply cant address the budget without entitlements, period. Look at the numbers.
 
I dont want to distract from dogeshit - so i'll keep laffer curves and tax rates excluded from anymore replies.

Spending and income are more seperate - but i agree with your larger point of wanting it both ways when it comes to entitlements and tax rates with most Americans. The focus of my point is to point to we are focusing on what we metaphorically spent on daily coffee expense and not the brand new mercedes amg we are driving.
DOGE is basically proving the Government is efficient.

My comedy for the day. "Rich" people don't pay enough, but "my" taxes are too high. And this is Fox! It also appears that a lot of poor people are now watching the channel. Good luck.

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The first 5 (not including interest) have not been mentioned in terms of reforms or cuts at all. I can appreciate the idea of gov being better and less costly. Taxes are my families heftiest financial burden - and it is not even close. Unfortunately- all of what has been "doged" matters very little in the grand scheme if you understand quantitative reason.

When someone wants to talk reform of entitlements, mil spending, or were the real problem is - im all ears for any party/politician. It obviously needs done - thats how we got to a place where we spend more on interest than military.

Saying we want to cut unsustainable spending - yet also saying we wont touch entitlements means that america is a long ways from any real solution of getting the gov on a decent balance sheet.
Haven't there been cuts in the Social Security space? https://www.the-independent.com/new...al-security-cuts-payment-delays-b2738222.html

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I work for the DOI and whether you want to hear it or not, consolidation will end up costing you more money. And I’m not even factoring in the DOGE employee buyout. Which is a chit load of $$$.

The agency has been trying to consolidate HR and Admin jobs for years. I’ve been in and out of private sector vs gov jobs since 2015 and HR etc has changed dramatically.

It used to be each park had there own mid level HR and admin staff that could do there jobs quickly and efficiently in person. In an effort to “consolidate and save money “ I’ve only seen those functions be far less efficient. And in most cases be passed on to regional people making more money.

Take it as you want. But low level consolidation does not always save you money whatever your preferred news sources tell you.
In 5 mins of looking at the DOGE site, it sure looks like there's some ridiculous spending as a result of the DOI. I appreciate that they're cutting the $3 billion dollar refugee resettlement program. $3 billion could go a long ways in taking care of the people who live in the US already.

Terminating a lease to an 89,000 SF building that's vacant is WILD. I wonder what else they'll find!


Waste and Fraud? This Administration dumped the Inspector Generals of each Dept....their job was to uncover and prevent fraud. Gut the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.....their job was to prevent fraud on consumers. Gut the Internal Revenue Service....their job in part is to insure taxes not fraudulently avoided.

Defense Sec Hegleth just ordered a new Makeup Studio for the Pentagon. Probably to explain to the public how he is cutting waste and fraud And the Defense Budget is proposed to increase....now nearly a trillion dollars and more than the next highest countries military budget....COMBINED.

The Interior Dept is diverse because of its diverse responsibilities. Having some punk outside DOGE folks magically combine/reduce/defund to make it more efficient......doubtful at best. Irrepairably destructive at worst.
If someone isn't doing their job well, they should be replaced...

A new makeup studio is stupid, no doubt. I hope DOGE will get further into the DOD, and look at how ridiculous the spending is in there on specific items.

 
So major increases under Obama (2008-2016), approximately flat line during Trump-1 (2016-2020) and a huge increase under Biden (2020-2024). And the picture only gets worse:

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Seems like the US is headed for a massive readjustment of living standards. Question is, do we take the pain now to soften the blow in the future or keep kicking the can down the road and let our children/grandchildren absorb the burden.
To a large degree, yes. But to the point of Forkyfinder, DOGE isn't addressing any of this stuff. Firing USFS or BLM workers isn't "taking any pain now". The reality is no one is willing to take the pain in the major categories. My point, the cuts to physician reimbursement will eventually lead to 1) less physicians and more quasi-physicians = shittier health care 2) more physicians electing not to take Medicare/Medicaid and 3) closing of rural hospitals.

You post data I have zero problem with other than most of that increase is from an increase in enrollment in the programs - you know, the Boomers.
 
DOGE is basically proving the Government is efficient.

My comedy for the day. "Rich" people don't pay enough, but "my" taxes are too high. And this is Fox! It also appears that a lot of poor people are now watching the channel. Good luck.

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Poll is useless without also asking respondents to define "rich people".
 
So major increases under Obama (2008-2016), approximately flat line during Trump-1 (2016-2020) and a huge increase under Biden (2020-2024). And the picture only gets worse:

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Seems like the US is headed for a massive readjustment of living standards. Question is, do we take the pain now to soften the blow in the future or keep kicking the can down the road and let our children/grandchildren absorb the burden.
I think those bumps you see in discretionary spending are related to 08 recession and covid.
 
Poll is useless without also asking respondents to define "rich people".
The poll is useless for just about anything. But yes, that would be nice to know. I would guess that "rich" is anyone that makes more than the respondent. It is up there with the same polls where people say their approval rating of Congress is very low but they love their Congresspersons.
 
To a large degree, yes. But to the point of Forkyfinder, DOGE isn't addressing any of this stuff. Firing USFS or BLM workers isn't "taking any pain now". The reality is no one is willing to take the pain in the major categories. My point, the cuts to physician reimbursement will eventually lead to 1) less physicians and more quasi-physicians = shittier health care 2) more physicians electing not to take Medicare/Medicaid and 3) closing of rural hospitals.

You post data I have zero problem with other than most of that increase is from an increase in enrollment in the programs - you know, the Boomers.
Yes - Boomers are the start of the bow-wave. They are also the ones who have contributed the most (in terms of $'s and by a large amount) into the program. But they are not the end of the bow-wave and therein lies the problem. You had a lot of boomers paying for the prior generation benefits (using the chart below - 3.5:1). Gen-X is barely over 0.8 compared to Boomers and Millennials are about even with Gen-X (1.1). Gen Z will be similar to where Gen-X is now compared to the group ahead of them (i.e., underwater @ 0.95). Gen-Alpha looks to be an even worse trajectory. Thus the solvency issue of SS and related entitlement programs.Screenshot 2025-04-24 at 9.28.02 AM.png
 
Go DOGE

Tired of useless waste. Don't care where it is.
You should stop using anything MSFT. I used to think the government was inefficient, but MSFT has dominated my job for the last 4 years, and it has completely changed my outlook on what acceptable baseline efficiency is. The metaphor one of their own consultants used was "imagine a wagon slowly rolling across the prairie, it can only go so fast, that is the speed at which a data center is constructed. Now imagine a large herd of riders on horseback, sprinting around it in circles, shooting at each other. Those are the contractors and consultants. Occasionally, they miss each other and hit the wagon, slowing it down for repairs." I tend to think a hurricane is more apt, all of the energy in a hurricane is in the rotational energy, not in the more linear travel path of the eye, same roles as above. Here's an example, one of those riders installed a water service in the way of a cooling water main, because they were trying to go so fast they didn't have time to plan. We had two meetings, with upwards of 20 people, and a cumulative billing rate well in excess of 5k/hr to determine that they refused to move the temp water service and I needed to pay my contractor to work around it. The temp water service would have cost them 3k to move. I paid my contractor 8k for structural shoring to go under it. So someone went too fast and caused a problem, then they spent an obscene amount of time to land the most complicated and expensive solution. That is just one small example from last week.

So you'd better ditch Office and Windows entirely, because if you continue to those those products you are knowingly funding a metric shitton of waste.
 
Yes - Boomers are the start of the bow-wave. They are also the ones who have contributed the most (in terms of $'s and by a large amount) into the program. But they are not the end of the bow-wave and therein lies the problem. You had a lot of boomers paying for the prior generation benefits (using the chart below - 3.5:1). Gen-X is barely over 0.8 compared to Boomers and Millennials are about even with Gen-X (1.1). Gen Z will be similar to where Gen-X is now compared to the group ahead of them (i.e., underwater @ 0.95). Gen-Alpha looks to be an even worse trajectory. Thus the solvency issue of SS and related entitlement programs.View attachment 369599
Paid in the most - by what metric? Overall, and not based on per capita?

Dont agree at all that boomers "paid in the most." I was bagging groceries paying higher entitlement taxes than a boomer having peak earnings years in the 70s with 3.6% less and a lot lower cap.

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You should stop using anything MSFT. I used to think the government was inefficient, but MSFT has dominated my job for the last 4 years, and it has completely changed my outlook on what acceptable baseline efficiency is. The metaphor one of their own consultants used was "imagine a wagon slowly rolling across the prairie, it can only go so fast, that is the speed at which a data center is constructed. Now imagine a large herd of riders on horseback, sprinting around it in circles, shooting at each other. Those are the contractors and consultants. Occasionally, they miss each other and hit the wagon, slowing it down for repairs." I tend to think a hurricane is more apt, all of the energy in a hurricane is in the rotational energy, not in the more linear travel path of the eye, same roles as above. Here's an example, one of those riders installed a water service in the way of a cooling water main, because they were trying to go so fast they didn't have time to plan. We had two meetings, with upwards of 20 people, and a cumulative billing rate well in excess of 5k/hr to determine that they refused to move the temp water service and I needed to pay my contractor to work around it. The temp water service would have cost them 3k to move. I paid my contractor 8k for structural shoring to go under it. So someone went too fast and caused a problem, then they spent an obscene amount of time to land the most complicated and expensive solution. That is just one small example from last week.

So you'd better ditch Office and Windows entirely, because if you continue to those those products you are knowingly funding a metric shitton of waste.
I think this is the key. A lot of people are annoyed about what waste they have been UNKNOWINGLY funding. I can choose to use or ditch MSFT as it suits me. I often can't choose to ditch government spending that I'm funding with my tax dollars.
 
One man’s waste is another’s lifeline. Some people need social security right now. The lack of empathy from some of you is pretty major turnoff but it’s easy to be an internet gangsta so I expect in person you guys are likely much better people
I don't think anyone has implied that SS should be pulled or stopped.
 
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