Day Trespass fees for turkeys and deer

[seeth07]

I'm sorry to say but hunting access to private has always often been a form of compensation. The exchange has just molded from work and gifts to cash. Even back in the day when it was easy to get private access, the main way to ensure future access was to compensate. I've helped cut wood, install culverts, paint barns and sheds, pour concrete, given up dozens of whole deer dropped off at the butcher for them, provided 1000s of dollars worth of maple syrup, list goes on. Cash is just now mostly easier these days in these different times and honestly it's often more help and useful to the landowner.

 

[Nick87]

I'm sorry to say but hunting across to private has always often been a form of compensation.

No it hasn't.

 

[NY_BLUES]

I'm not trying to be an @$$wipe, but all I’m trying to get at is I came to your state 20-25 years ago with money and tried to lease up a bunch of land that you were able to access for free you'd just be fine with it and move on? Because that's basically what you're asking to do. Obviously I can't prevent anyone from doing anything, but I sure as hell aren't going to give anyone pointers on how to come to the state I live in and lease hunting property.

I'm not sure what you are getting at, but I'm NOT advocating for leasing ground. Actually, quite the opposite. I refuse to lease ground. I purchased a small farm in 2015, and hunt it and land in the west. Though not advocating for it, it seems it is the way of the future. Like it or not, which I don't, it's happening.
Like I posted before, I've lost places to hunt due to the land owner leasing the ground. I didn't own it, or pay the taxes, so I got no say.

To the OP, good luck with your search, it doesn't seem like you will get much help here. I'm sure a Google search will point you in a direction that you can head.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'm not sure what you are getting at, but I'm NOT advocating for leasing ground. Actually, quite the opposite. I refuse to lease ground. I purchased a small farm in 2015, and hunt it and land in the west. Though not advocating for it, it seems it is the way of the future. Like it or not, which I don't, it's happening.
Like I posted before, I've lost places to hunt due to the land owner leasing the ground. I didn't own it, or pay the taxes, so I got no say.

To the OP, good luck with your search, it doesn't seem like you will get much help here. I'm sure a Google search will point you in a direction that you can head.

Apologies. I accidentally got you mixed up with the OP. I typed my response while trying to get lunch made and kids down for naps.
Very sorry!

 

[Nick87]

No it hasn't.

To elaborate on that it used to be just what people did as neighbors and part of a community. One wasn't necessary for the other. Would you still help the neighbor or farmer down the road with any of that if some of his family or friends hunted the property already. The answer used to be yes.

 

[SAJ-99]

To elaborate on that it used to be just what people did as neighbors and part of a community. One wasn't necessary for the other. Would you still help the neighbor or farmer down the road with any of that if some of his family or friends hunted the property already. The answer used to be yes.

Compensation can come in different ways. CRP has been a form of compensation for over 35 years. Change is constant. Sometimes it works in our favor and sometimes it doesn't. A lot of the change you have described goes back to the movement from an Ag society to an industrialize one and the kids not wanting the farm. I tend to view that people knew their neighbors a little better 50 years ago. But that may just be me trying to put a shine on the past that didn't exist.

 

[Nick87]

Compensation can come in different ways. CRP has been a form of compensation for over 35 years. Change is constant. Sometimes it works in our favor and sometimes it doesn't. A lot of the change you have described goes back to the movement from an Ag society to an industrialize one and the kids not wanting the farm. I tend to view that people knew their neighbors a little better 50 years ago. But that may just be me trying to put a shine on the past that didn't exist.
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Yes times have changed. That's my point.

 

[Rack Daniels]

Are we adding “asking about trespass/hunting fees” to the list of things not allowed to be discussed on HuntTalk?

Boy, we’d better…

 

[Rack Daniels]

Compensation can come in different ways. CRP has been a form of compensation for over 35 years. Change is constant. Sometimes it works in our favor and sometimes it doesn't. A lot of the change you have described goes back to the movement from an Ag society to an industrialize one and the kids not wanting the farm. I tend to view that people knew their neighbors a little better 50 years ago. But that may just be me trying to put a shine on the past that didn't exist.
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How are we comparing habitat conservation subsidies to paying cash money to someone to shoot an animal sustaining itself in that habitat and tell others “na this spots already paid for”?

Yea paid for by the tax payers. I hear ain’t much public in OK where I’m moving, nothing like the vast wilderness of MT where I’m at. I hear it’s hard to get on anywhere because you gotta pay for access. Guess who’ll be reminding them that the wildlife are held in the public trust for the residents of that state! Guess where I learned it? Stick around OP. We will learn ya. Treesnake wants to sell off our public and loves paying for access too so take my initial response how you’d like, but round here, we want to keep public lands (and wildlife) PUBLIC

 

[Nick87]

How are we comparing habitat conservation subsidies to paying cash money to someone to shoot an animal sustaining itself in that habitat and tell others “na this spots already paid for”?

Yea paid for by the tax payers. I hear ain’t much public in OK where I’m moving, nothing like the vast wilderness of MT where I’m at. I hear it’s hard to get on anywhere because you gotta pay for access. Guess who’ll be reminding them that the wildlife are held in the public trust for the residents of that state! Guess where I learned it? Stick around OP. We will learn ya. Treesnake wants to sell off our public and loves paying for access too so take my initial response how you’d like, but round here, we want to keep public lands (and wildlife) PUBLIC

There's a fair amount of public there compared to some places imo.

 

[Treeshark]

I hear ain’t much public in OK where I’m moving, nothing like the vast wilderness of MT where I’m at. I hear it’s hard to get on anywhere because you gotta pay for access. Guess who’ll be reminding them that the wildlife are held in the public trust for the residents of that state! Guess where I learned it?

Ha, go get em Tiger. That’s sure to swing the doors of access wide open.

I have a feeling that you’re about to find out that some states have a much stronger entitlement mentality than others.

 

[F250]

I'm not sure what you are getting at, but I'm NOT advocating for leasing ground. Actually, quite the opposite. I refuse to lease ground. I purchased a small farm in 2015, and hunt it and land in the west. Though not advocating for it, it seems it is the way of the future. Like it or not, which I don't, it's happening.
Like I posted before, I've lost places to hunt due to the land owner leasing the ground. I didn't own it, or pay the taxes, so I got no say.

To the OP, good luck with your search, it doesn't seem like you will get much help here. I'm sure a Google search will point you in a direction that you can head.

So is buying a farm and hunting it yourself really much different than leasing a farm and hunting it yourself ? Money is being paid for private access to a place to hunt.
Full disclosure… I provide labor for access to hunt a property where I live and lease a farm in NY. That has pretty much become the reality of finding a place to hunt in the Northeast.
Public land with game on it is very limited and crowded. Yes, I also miss the old days when you could knock on a door and get permission to hunt. Unfortunately those days are over and will never return.

 

[jpc01101]

So is buying a farm and hunting it yourself really much different than leasing a farm and hunting it yourself ? Money is being paid for private access to a place to hunt.

From some of these posts I’d think they feel it is the same. All land should be held in the public trust comrade!

 

[Treeshark]

Treesnake wants to sell off our public and loves paying for access

Where on earth did you get this idea?

I have never shot a big game animal on private land (haven’t even hunted on private since I was a kid and hunted via bicycle).

 

[jpc01101]

In all seriousness though, I guess growing up East of the Mississippi I didn't get to enjoy endless amounts of public land and just got used to the idea that if you wanted to hunt you had to figure it out. My Dad spent every extra nickel and many that weren't extra to piece together a place around a small farm my Grandparents bought in the 60's. He/we did without a lot of other fun stuff so that we could have that farm and have a place for his kids and grandkids to hunt. I have done the same thing to buy a place that connects to his place and expand what we have access to hunt and trap on. Folks out West don't know how good they have it in terms of public land, it is an amazing resource that I envy. KY is something like 4% public land.

 

[Hem]

Well, I have figured out who @Rack Daniels is.
Still wondering if @SAJ-99 truly hunts.

 

[NY_BLUES]

So is buying a farm and hunting it yourself really much different than leasing a farm and hunting it yourself ? Money is being paid for private access to a place to hunt.
Full disclosure… I provide labor for access to hunt a property where I live and lease a farm in NY. That has pretty much become the reality of finding a place to hunt in the Northeast.
Public land with game on it is very limited and crowded. Yes, I also miss the old days when you could knock on a door and get permission to hunt. Unfortunately those days are over and will never return.

I live on and work the farm that I purchased, however, I get what you are saying. No, it's not much different than leasing, with paying taxes and such, but I have 100% control over who I give permission to hunt.

State forests and wildlife management areas are overrun with people, game is scarce at times, and poorly managed. I guess that's what happens when there really isn't a wildlife agency in charge, hut rather an agency that is very diverse on their duties, like the DEC.

 

[NY_BLUES]

From some of these posts I’d think they feel it is the same. All land should be held in the public trust comrade!

That's a slippery slope.

 

[Treeshark]

Supporting private land rights and public land hunting do not need to be mutually exclusive concepts.

 

[SAJ-99]

Well, I have figured out who @Rack Daniels is.
Still wondering if @SAJ-99 truly hunts.

My wife wonders the same thing.