Zach
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Dilly, Dilly!!I don't disagree with any of that, but I think that this is a step in the right direction as I think the whole state should be limited.
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Dilly, Dilly!!I don't disagree with any of that, but I think that this is a step in the right direction as I think the whole state should be limited.
Indeed. My reading of the stats posted was wounded, died, not recovered by hunter. The inherent uncertainty of this allows the #s to be manipulated by estimating methods, combined w road kill for recording purposes; generally disregarded as a fact of archery hunting. My point is that the high rate (compared to rifle) of archery-caused kills not harvested should be a factor in assessing the impact of archers on herds. That impact is clearly higher than harvest stats for archery demonstrate, at least 25% higher if not more.This is valid point. However, if I'm reading this correctly, all the numbers you cited are for "wounded" animals. A wounded animal often does not succumb to those wounds. We just need to make sure we're talking apples or oranges (wounded or fatally wounded).
From the link you shared:
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Granted, that is Oklahoma whitetail deer, but 4% is lot different than the 25% you stated above. What am I missing?
COEngineer, thanks for the heads up and careful reading of my flawed post. I left out a link, which is much more relevant than the one I included.From the link you shared:
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Granted, that is Oklahoma whitetail deer, but 4% is lot different than the 25% you stated above. What am I missing?
Congratulations on your bull. Your ? goes to the heart (pun intended) of the statistical challenges of including wounded game. Your bull was alive and available for you to kill, statistically that is straightforward: one happy hunter, one bull for the freezer, no statistical uncertainty.I killed a bull this year during rifle season with an arrow in him from archery season. That elk would be wounded, but recovered?
C’mon ED. The article you linked and the quote you placed in post #79 clearly state that the estimates are from “lumping the wounding averages from ALL METHODS OF TAKE”. There is no mention of those numbers being attributed to only archery hunters.The article linked above reports CPW biologists estimate 25% more cow elk are killed/unrecovered in CO that archery harvest statistics report.
C’mon ED. The article you linked and the quote you placed in post #79 clearly state that the estimates are from “lumping the wounding averages from ALL METHODS OF TAKE”. There is no mention of those numbers being attributed to only archery hunters.
Says not to mention it...Please don't bring up wounding on any public forum. Anti-hunters are just looking for another reason to shut down all methods of take. Why would you ever bring that up?
...ugliest things you ever witness, wounded animals everywhere, mass confusion, and more hit animals then hunters afield.
This. Flawed data makes for bad management, exacerbated by a planning cycle so long, done by so few biologists, that a statistical error can become a noticeable absence of elk relatively fast.Gentleman, I think the larger issue is that unlimited tags for any weapon, makes it extremely difficult for CPW to manage herds.
This. Flawed data makes for bad management, exacerbated by a planning cycle so long, done by so few biologists, that a statistical error can become a noticeable absence of elk relatively fast.
I disagree that we should avoid online discussion of taboo topics, including E* and W*, because of anti-fear. They can find or invent all the ammo they need, without us lying by denial. However, I won't derail this thread by pursuing W* further.
E*, ethics in general, recently long range hunting ethics.
W*, wounded, not recovered.
As a resident this is the worst idea I could ever see happened. I would hunt out of state more than I was capable of hunting the state I live inWow, great news about the OTC archery tags! Hopefully they'll split the season in the future. At some point everything will be 5 day hunts like NM. Its the only way to have enough tags to keep up with demand without hurting the health of the herds. Basically sacrificing efficacy (by shortening the seasons) for the sake of opportunity.
If you debruced CPW, a $12 license plate tax would cover the all the revenue lost by reducing CO elk tags down to WY levels, ostensibly giving you the ability to hunt archery and rifle season on the same tag like WY and MT.As a resident this is the worst idea I could ever see happened. I would hunt out of state more than I was capable of hunting the state I live in
I'm only half college edumacted. so I dont debruce anything but if your saying I could pay an extr $12 to my $1000 worth of license plates i buy every year to hunt both seasons I'm all in. Hell i would buy a whole new tag to get to hunt both seasons but according to CPW that would put too much pressure on the animals even tho it is unlimited alreadyIf you debruced CPW, a $12 license plate tax would cover the all the revenue lost by reducing CO elk tags down to WY levels, ostensibly giving you the ability to hunt archery and rifle season on the same tag like WY and MT.
Just saying
Debrucing, refers to Doug Bruce that ass hat and felon, that gifted us TABOR. What I described is actually what both MT and WY do to pay for parts of their wildlife budgets, Colorado cannot do the same because of stupid tax legislation.I'm only half college edumacted. so I dont debruce anything but if your saying I could pay an extr $12 to my $1000 worth of license plates i buy every year to hunt both seasons I'm all in. Hell i would buy a whole new tag to get to hunt both seasons but according to CPW that would put too much pressure on the animals even tho it is unlimited already